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Apr 26 2022 09:37pm
Quote (oscarmk @ Apr 26 2022 08:37pm)
Yeah definitely, not to mention attacking at 3 frames, you will proc multiple firestorms at once, each doing aoe damage.


Yeah, I don't think BOTD beats, AoE too valuable in pvm
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Apr 26 2022 09:39pm
Quote (oscarmk @ Apr 27 2022 10:16am)
Rough math but, grief pb avg dmg is 437.5, 20% deadly = 525, now we add fort + phoenix which after taking into account typical charm setup/jewels, strength, and fury dmg %, fort + phoenix will add roughly 70% more damage, so we end up with 892.5 average damage. Now synergized firestorms were calculated ar around 1.5K dmg per second but they are AoE.

Compare with botd thundermaul for example avg dmg 816.5 now we add Fort about 30% more dmg - 1061, at this point it might look like this will win, but you will have 4 frames, 3 frames with lvl 36 WW (quite high for pve) needs 73 ias… won’t get that unless you drop Fortitude. You also wouldn’t be able to use steelrends in that case, and you don’t get Ignore Target defense nor do you get firestorms.

The difference between 3 and 4 frames will be about 15% more damage on grief PB, 20 vs 23 frame fury. So we add for PB 892.5 x 1.15 = 1026 average damage vs 1061 on Ebotd TM, but you don’t get firestorms, no ITD and attacking faster also has other benefits, more leech and more procs.

I guess taking all in consideration the ebotd TM, comes close, but the firestorms are actually quite nice.


So phoenix proc would not interrupt attack as before?

I would love to see the full firestorm fury build. Anybody?
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Apr 26 2022 09:42pm
Quote (Araharja @ Apr 26 2022 10:39pm)
So phoenix proc would not interrupt attack as before?

I would love to see the full firestorm fury build. Anybody?


It won’t, they fixed that in 2.4, and with druid you can synergize it.
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Apr 26 2022 09:45pm
Quote (oscarmk @ Apr 27 2022 10:42am)
It won’t, they fixed that in 2.4, and with druid you can synergize it.


How bout pheonix pb + shield then for even more proc?

Also -56% enemy fire resistant.
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Apr 26 2022 09:49pm
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How bout pheonix pb + shield then for even more proc?

Also -56% enemy fire resistant.


It might work too, but Grief just adds too much physical damage and ITD, might be good for super high density like Cow level.
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Apr 26 2022 09:50pm
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It might work too, but Grief just adds too much physical damage and ITD, might be good for super high density like Cow level.


I guess the best merc would be act2 might with infinity?
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Apr 26 2022 09:56pm
The whole max synergies to firestorm soudns cool but in application sucks

furthermore, hellfire torch overrides proc chances so its a mess

This post was edited by SkyNetCyberDyne on Apr 26 2022 09:58pm
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Apr 26 2022 10:02pm
Quote (SkyNetCyberDyne @ Apr 26 2022 10:56pm)
The whole max synergies to firestorm soudns cool but in application sucks

furthermore, hellfire torch overrides proc chances so its a mess



There’s no override, hellfire firestorm is a different firestorm skill (Diablo skill), the Phoenix proc is the druid firestorm skill

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Apr 26 2022 10:03pm
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I guess the best merc would be act2 might with infinity?



If you went with double phoenix probably yes. I would use Pride in merc
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Apr 26 2022 10:29pm
Quote (Araharja @ Apr 26 2022 08:45pm)
How bout pheonix pb + shield then for even more proc?

Also -56% enemy fire resistant.


Was wondering if the IAS change means a phoenix legendary mallet would be an option. 285 average dmg on a perfect mallet... vs 400+ damage on grief. Twice the ctc firestorm and -28 fire res though. As oscar said high density could favor the phoenix or I've also heard firestorm hits large targets multiple times with one cast... so potentially more fire damage vs. act bosses.
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