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Apr 29 2026 06:23am
Yea thats true… skill synergies didnt exist back then so f orb was dominating lol

I guess nowadays it would just be pretty good if they removed cooldown


If anything, it would just be added to blizzard sorc builds to make blizzard sorc a little better. Wouldn't be meta defining or anything.
And yeah, back then regular hell mobs didn't have immunities and about 90% less life. Honestly they could remove the cooldown on meteor too now and it would also just be "pretty good".
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Apr 29 2026 06:31am
I just made this and it says I have a 20k blizzard and a 2.2k orb. Wow, is this real life? Can swap to ice blast for single target instead of orb too.

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Apr 29 2026 06:32am
If anything, it would just be added to blizzard sorc builds to make blizzard sorc a little better. Wouldn't be meta defining or anything.
And yeah, back then regular hell mobs didn't have immunities and about 90% less life. Honestly they could remove the cooldown on meteor too now and it would also just be "pretty good".


Or cold mastery would just cut into immunities like in 1.07
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Apr 29 2026 06:36am
Or cold mastery would just cut into immunities like in 1.07


Afaik the only mobs that had immunities pre 1.06b are elites and super uniques, and no regular mobs had any immunities... However, I believe for a short time (1.08 maybe?) Elites could actually spawn with tri-immunities as well!

But yes like you said, back then CM was even more broken and would break immunities.
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Apr 29 2026 09:17am
Skill issue, aiming and crowd management. In detail, frozen orb is a single target skill which should be cast from a certain distance to explode behind the target to be effectice. The chill effect is nice but not nearly enough to freeze monsters for a long time .


Completely untrue, your aiming sucks, have to be said, sry. Blizzard is more tactical and rewarding. You cast blizzard between the monsters and let them move, the ones in front can be frozen for a long time with superior ice blast chill. Ice blast does more damage on blizzard's cooldown vs single target than FO most of the time. When more monsters arrive, you teleport past them and repeat the same. Blizzard can be stacked, you need to know how to aim and stack blizzard, very important vs Baal for example. Blizzard is also superior for leveling. You cast and forget.


I don't like Blizz/FO because of the positioning for FO otherwise you're wasting skill points. I go with blizzard and ice blast.

TDLR: FO is either a 1 point skill to level up your friends in normal, for leveling through NM or to complement some shitty hybrid sorc.


You must be absolutely amazing at parties.

We will have to agree to disagree regarding tactics between blizz and FO. That single target distance is exactly what I am talking about. Yes FO is a single target skill - it is the needing to be in a constantly changing (your enemy moves) sweet spot that you have to find while ducking other enemies and not pulling adds. When you say "You cast and forget" that is why blizzard is mindless.

I have not said ONCE that blizzard is worse than FO for damage or leveling or anything. Blizzard outperforms FO in almost every metric and has for decades. I am not an idiot and I agree with you. I choose FO because it is more satisfying for me to use. From a game design perspective, I personally believe FO is the better designed one and it is more fun for me. Simple as that.

You play the game how you want to. Playing with blizzard, ice blast, and potentially frozen orb all together is the "correct" way to play the game. Good for you! Gold hyucking star. I think that, especially once your gear is absurdly high-end, there is more to playing a game than dealing the most damage your character can possibly do.

You, sir, seem to have an issue with wanting to win arguments all of the time. You think you are the smartest person in the room. One day, this arrogance and animosity will leave you entirely alone with no one to blame but yourself. It is not too late - think about the other person's position and *why* they might have that position, rather than thinking you know everything there is to know about the universe. If you relax your shoulders and stop clenching your mouse so hard, you will be much happier in life.
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Apr 29 2026 09:22am
You must be absolutely amazing at parties.

We will have to agree to disagree regarding tactics between blizz and FO. That single target distance is exactly what I am talking about. Yes FO is a single target skill - it is the needing to be in a constantly changing (your enemy moves) sweet spot that you have to find while ducking other enemies and not pulling adds. When you say "You cast and forget" that is why blizzard is mindless.

I have not said ONCE that blizzard is worse than FO for damage or leveling or anything. Blizzard outperforms FO in almost every metric and has for decades. I am not an idiot and I agree with you. I choose FO because it is more satisfying for me to use. From a game design perspective, I personally believe FO is the better designed one and it is more fun for me. Simple as that.

You play the game how you want to. Playing with blizzard, ice blast, and potentially frozen orb all together is the "correct" way to play the game. Good for you! Gold hyucking star. I think that, especially once your gear is absurdly high-end, there is more to playing a game than dealing the most damage your character can possibly do.

You, sir, seem to have an issue with wanting to win arguments all of the time. You think you are the smartest person in the room. One day, this arrogance and animosity will leave you entirely alone with no one to blame but yourself. It is not too late - think about the other person's position and *why* they might have that position, rather than thinking you know everything there is to know about the universe. If you relax your shoulders and stop clenching your mouse so hard, you will be much happier in life.


Gg debate settled
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Apr 29 2026 09:48am
You must be absolutely amazing at parties.

We will have to agree to disagree regarding tactics between blizz and FO. That single target distance is exactly what I am talking about. Yes FO is a single target skill - it is the needing to be in a constantly changing (your enemy moves) sweet spot that you have to find while ducking other enemies and not pulling adds. When you say "You cast and forget" that is why blizzard is mindless.

I have not said ONCE that blizzard is worse than FO for damage or leveling or anything. Blizzard outperforms FO in almost every metric and has for decades. I am not an idiot and I agree with you. I choose FO because it is more satisfying for me to use. From a game design perspective, I personally believe FO is the better designed one and it is more fun for me. Simple as that.

You play the game how you want to. Playing with blizzard, ice blast, and potentially frozen orb all together is the "correct" way to play the game. Good for you! Gold hyucking star. I think that, especially once your gear is absurdly high-end, there is more to playing a game than dealing the most damage your character can possibly do.

You, sir, seem to have an issue with wanting to win arguments all of the time. You think you are the smartest person in the room. One day, this arrogance and animosity will leave you entirely alone with no one to blame but yourself. It is not too late - think about the other person's position and *why* they might have that position, rather than thinking you know everything there is to know about the universe. If you relax your shoulders and stop clenching your mouse so hard, you will be much happier in life.


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Apr 29 2026 09:55am
You must be absolutely amazing at parties.

We will have to agree to disagree regarding tactics between blizz and FO. That single target distance is exactly what I am talking about. Yes FO is a single target skill - it is the needing to be in a constantly changing (your enemy moves) sweet spot that you have to find while ducking other enemies and not pulling adds. When you say "You cast and forget" that is why blizzard is mindless.

I have not said ONCE that blizzard is worse than FO for damage or leveling or anything. Blizzard outperforms FO in almost every metric and has for decades. I am not an idiot and I agree with you. I choose FO because it is more satisfying for me to use. From a game design perspective, I personally believe FO is the better designed one and it is more fun for me. Simple as that.

You play the game how you want to. Playing with blizzard, ice blast, and potentially frozen orb all together is the "correct" way to play the game. Good for you! Gold hyucking star. I think that, especially once your gear is absurdly high-end, there is more to playing a game than dealing the most damage your character can possibly do.

You, sir, seem to have an issue with wanting to win arguments all of the time. You think you are the smartest person in the room. One day, this arrogance and animosity will leave you entirely alone with no one to blame but yourself. It is not too late - think about the other person's position and *why* they might have that position, rather than thinking you know everything there is to know about the universe. If you relax your shoulders and stop clenching your mouse so hard, you will be much happier in life.


Might be the best thing I've ever seen an anime-avatar user post. Nothing better online than pure, unadulterated digital own.
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Apr 29 2026 09:57am
Might be the best thing I've ever seen an anime-avatar user post. Nothing better online than pure, unadulterated digital own.


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Apr 29 2026 11:09am
You must be absolutely amazing at parties.

We will have to agree to disagree regarding tactics between blizz and FO. That single target distance is exactly what I am talking about. Yes FO is a single target skill - it is the needing to be in a constantly changing (your enemy moves) sweet spot that you have to find while ducking other enemies and not pulling adds. When you say "You cast and forget" that is why blizzard is mindless.

I have not said ONCE that blizzard is worse than FO for damage or leveling or anything. Blizzard outperforms FO in almost every metric and has for decades. I am not an idiot and I agree with you. I choose FO because it is more satisfying for me to use. From a game design perspective, I personally believe FO is the better designed one and it is more fun for me. Simple as that.

You play the game how you want to. Playing with blizzard, ice blast, and potentially frozen orb all together is the "correct" way to play the game. Good for you! Gold hyucking star. I think that, especially once your gear is absurdly high-end, there is more to playing a game than dealing the most damage your character can possibly do.

You, sir, seem to have an issue with wanting to win arguments all of the time. You think you are the smartest person in the room. One day, this arrogance and animosity will leave you entirely alone with no one to blame but yourself. It is not too late - think about the other person's position and *why* they might have that position, rather than thinking you know everything there is to know about the universe. If you relax your shoulders and stop clenching your mouse so hard, you will be much happier in life.

I am really that amazing at parties. I play day 1 telesorc with crappy gear alongside 7 other people in HC and kill hell baal within 6-8h depending on the team. Best part is the jokes in discord :D

This post was edited by babun1024 on Apr 29 2026 11:09am
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