that -fire resist could help do more (fire) dmg imo leading to faster clear times. I like the idea of phoenix. tele-stomp dangerous packs like lord de'seis and replenish more?

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Love that build !

This post was edited by WhenLadderReset on Mar 26 2026 12:00pm

Obsession for this build is big no no as you go higher end.

This build innately requires you to telestomp and weaken curse from obsession will erase amp curse very very frequently.

I've only tested deathmark a little because its not really clear what the skill does. It sure didn't look like its increasing the base damage of the monster, or a super high deathmark should be multiplied enough to be relevant, and I didn't see it. At best its probably just what it says, like +19 physical / +19 magic damage per hit for 6 seconds aka absolutely nothing. At worst it might not even work at all. Its just got extremely low numbers on it, it seems like its a skill that deserves to be on your left click or high priority hotkey because you need to cast it so often, but no reason to put more than 1 point in it.



I could certainly see a spirit build working. Can't really get the FCR on a +4 splendor build without sacrificing for fcr elsewhere. But you do wind up -2 blood boil and lose 1 facet in exchange for that extra mana, and you aren't gaining much resists since opalring or fcr rings offset what spirit would give, heck you could put an Um in baalos for that comparison. So overall you're trading a somewhat significant chunk of damage for a huge amount of mana. I personally don't find mana to be that limiting, to the point I don't even bother with meditation aura. If you kill anything, the mana after each kill is so ludicrously high you basically full juv yourself nonstop in combat, manawise at least. Insight builds have infinite mana for teleporting too, so mana becomes totally infinite and you can't even really get slowed down by mana burn monsters.

Yeah I did ubers a couple times just to test it out. The demon alone could kill them if I separated them, and even when they were grouped up it was more an issue of the mana refill needed because defiler linking them makes the damage per cast so high it only took 2 cycles of a full tank, so the only bottleneck in the whole run was the loading time. And the best way to improve the build was to do the "unpack your data files so they don't have to decompress" and then there's no risk of dying at the portal. But it is one of the few areas where damage is so high a demon like spearwoman could risk dying, maybe I was having an easier time because I was using a conviction demon at the time and that means it overrides mephisto's aura

Actually its another consideration in the "conviction merc + holy aura demon vs insight merc + conviction demon" debate that there are areas like ubers & herald 5 where your merc will die, and that gimps your damage output. Plenty of herald fights where my merc died to some stray hits but demon could infinitely tank them, and then an infinity merc means you lose conviction.



also on the builds where I have done obsession, like ES lock, I found weaken barely ever overwrites amp curse, its a pretty negligible factor. Almost all the enemy attacks are hitting your demon rather than you, and even with 15% chance to cast decrepify on ars baalos I see it pretty rarely.
I was concerned about that CTC being an issue for ES but after testing it I found its not a problem in the slightest

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 26 2026 02:56pm

wait so... youre saying we can just bind normal urdars over and over and each one gains random affixes like auras + curses?

Firm disagree, I literally never see the mobs be phys immune on my screen. If they don't have natural immunities to fire, they're dead the moment I land in most cases, and if it needs the literal split second for amp to be applied again then that doesn't seem to be a big deal.

Level 20+ bind demon adds extra fast, extra strong, spectral hit, aura enchanted (random aura, 1/7 chance each).
Terror zones add their terrorized affix to normal monsters (not minions, champions, uniques or super uniques)
So by just binding normal demons in a cursed TZ, you are guaranteed a cursed+aura each time, with a random aura. Repeat until you get the aura you want.
But you really should spawn the monsters in a P8 game so the demons will have 450% hp, and they will permanently lack the 2x HP you get from unique demons
Unique demons get that 2x HP, and can have stone skin or lightning enchanted which are both nice, but you can only really bind naturally cursed uniques in P8 games and then pray it adds the right aura, which is a laborious process and not anywhere as easy to assemble on battle.net

cool, so one more point of clarification, would we only get the cursed affix if we were in a cursed affix TZ while doing this?

Correct. On pub bnet the easiest way to find p8 cursed tz games is to keep joining/leaving baal runs until you find one, then crack an act 2 shard and teleport tombs and/or palace for urdars. A5 spearwomen are much less reliable to find, 22% chance each in frigid, frozen river, ancients way & worldstone keep 1 (63% chance overall). You can pre-scout some of these locations before cracking the shard, which will spawn in some of the area as non-TZ but show you what types of enemies spawned

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 26 2026 03:26pm