yea, as a retired classic player, I hate to say I know otio

needs to weigh in on this

I think the real classic ladder starts at 94+ when you only earn exp from D kills

When you're fresh and not tired, you can probably hit 50 runs per hour with loading w/ tele sorc doing viz and hammerdin doing inf and seis. Sorc tp at inf seal and releases all seals. After a long session when you're mentally drained, likely gets down to about 38-40 runs per hour.

Putting 3 level 1s in a corner will get you about an additional 10% exp (worth about an anni) but might take you additional 5 secs if sorc switches to the level 1s to place them while din finishes seis. Could try max lvl 1s if you can cut the placement times with real people.

@Lymen would be a good person to contact for fastest run set ups

This post was edited by DarthJofe on Jan 11 2026 08:34pm

having done this with bots... I can promise you it's so much longer

Is there a flaw in my testing and calculations?
From what we did in tests at P8

Classic 98-99 14.3k D
20350 Diablo with Shrine
15077 adding the 3 seal bosses

Classic 97-98 27.6k D
6974 Diablo with shrine
7807 adding the 3 seal bosses

Classic 96-97 49.5k D
4950 Diablo with Shrine
4455 adding the 3 seal bosses

Classic 95-96 83.5k D
2469 Diablo with Shrine
2288 adding the 3 seal bosses

Classic 94-95 111.3k D 14.8k S
1700 Diablo with Shrine
1500 added 3 seal bosses

Classic 93-94 144.65k D 19.3k S
1199 Diablo with Shrine
1051 added 3 seal bosses

Classic 92-93 194.8k D 91.7k S
804 Diablo with Shrine
556 added 3 seal bosses

Classic 91-92 256.1k D 308k S
570 Diablo with Shrine
288 added 3 seal bosses

Classic 90-91 339.6k D 414.4k S
395 Diablo with Shrine
178 added with 3 seal bosses

93-99 37,642 shrine diablo
90-93 1,022 3x seal + shrine diablo



Usually able to keep up the efficiency for a good 24 hours straight. And if we had a couple of different people on the main it would keep us fairly fresh.

So I haven't done classic before, but interested in hearing that strategy of putting level 1s in the corner. Do you have to make sure they RIP? Otherwise they will start gaining exp?

idk, it took me like 2 months 24/7 lol

3 min runs 2/8 seal bosses, 1/8 diablo w shrine

i know notVita managed it in 5 days but was like 15 second runs p8 solo kill w shrine... took hundreds of keys and proxies

Ah yeah. Well we are talking about ~2.5 diablo kills per minute as a community.

I forget how many runs until they level up to the point where they don't give extra levels anymore. Strangely, they still give some extra xp beyond level 30. Lymen might remember exactly what level they stop giving exp. But as a note, the higher level they are, the less exp they give.

I ran HCCL so killing level 1s were not feasable but it's certainly an ideal strat if you go SCCL since you can kill them off to maintain them at a low level with rushing new ones.

It's usually the two north corners you put them. After viz, sorc will tp at north corner and place the level 1s.

Overall, I'd say it's a totally different game compared to expansion with expansion being a race and classic being a marathon. A real long marathon. There's a reason why there's only like ~24 x 95+ toons in 12 seasons haha.

now we know how hard to become a billionaires (3.5b exp for 99?), even when you are earning 100k+ per minute

oops

This post was edited by DarthJofe on Jan 11 2026 09:46pm