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Sep 12 2023 07:29am
What was the final score between them? I watched a few duels and admittedly got lost on who was even who after a few…

Melee pvp is also incredibly random so just curious if it was one sided in the end or pretty even.
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Sep 12 2023 07:30am
Quote (Tarisus @ Sep 12 2023 08:13am)
Not trophy? What does the Trophy room say about this weapon. Link is provided below.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=101690292&f=103



Well, you should challenge Koston or one of them, I bet you lose 100% of the time. The same guy that wanted WSG gone calls other players less skilled. That’s just funny.


clicking and holding a button isnt skill (melee duels). my arthritic grandma could do it all day if she rubs a little cortisone cream on her hands.

wsg is clicking and holding a macro key which doesn’t take skill either.
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Quote (TeenyUncle8 @ Sep 12 2023 09:29am)
What was the final score between them? I watched a few duels and admittedly got lost on who was even who after a few…

Melee pvp is also incredibly random so just curious if it was one sided in the end or pretty even.


10 kills 2 deaths from America.

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clicking and holding a button isnt skill (melee duels). my arthritic grandma could do it all day if she rubs a little cortisone cream on her hands.

wsg is clicking and holding a macro key which doesn’t take skill either.


Please post a video of you beating anyone of those Zeal vs Zeal players. Yes yes, wanting WSG removed, then complain about how bad PvP currently is.

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10 kills 2 deaths from America.


Ahh gotcha definitely one sided enough that the better setup is evident. TY.
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Sep 12 2023 07:37am
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10 kills 2 deaths from America.



Please post a video of you beating anyone of those Zeal vs Zeal players. Yes yes, wanting WSG removed, then complain about how bad PvP currently is.


why would I duel some gm matchup thats not based on even 0.00001% of skill. can put a piece of tape on my mouse and afk each duel.
it’s holding 1 button.
I’d destroy them boomers with a 1kfg character vs there 18,000$ characters in any other matchup

never wanted wsg removed, it just doesn’t take any effort to do. why are you talking wsg in a zeal thread anyway dork
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Sep 12 2023 07:39am
Quote (KRR @ Sep 12 2023 09:37am)
why would I duel some gm matchup thats not based on even 0.00001% of skill. can put a piece of tape on my mouse and afk each duel.
it’s holding 1 button.
I’d destroy them boomers with a 1kfg character vs there 18,000$ characters in any other matchup

never wanted wsg removed, it just doesn’t take any effort to do. why are you talking wsg in a zeal thread anyway dork


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This is probably the only rare Eth repair weapon in the game.
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Sep 12 2023 09:41am
Quote (MoXeR @ Sep 12 2023 12:41am)
dont underestimate the eth rune in grief
the ar from fools is static but the eth rune scales with the enemies defense
thats 12,5% reduced defense in pvp
I would not be surprised if eth > the ar bonus from fools mod with those defense numbers


No it's terrible. - 12.5% is additive with off armor ed. So 1 lvl of holy shield or defiance synergy already completely negates the effect.

The reason it's good in pvm is that hardly any monsters have ed bonus, which means it's actually -25% defence

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Sep 12 2023 09:49am
Quote (MoXeR @ Sep 12 2023 01:41am)
dont underestimate the eth rune in grief
the ar from fools is static but the eth rune scales with the enemies defense
thats 12,5% reduced defense in pvp
I would not be surprised if eth > the ar bonus from fools mod with those defense numbers


Since you won’t post any numbers to back up your statements, here’s mine:

For a Paladin shown in video, skill levels would be exactly lvl 25 if they had Anni/Torch/Battle Command. 250% from Zeal, 160% from Fana, 100% from Blessed Aim with a total of 510% and adding base attack rating its 610%.

At lvl 99, attack rating from fools is 1633.5. 1633.5*6.1=9964 Attack rating after skills.(With viso on helm its 11,597 Attack rating from Fools).

For a Zealot shown in video, they have about 20-30k Defense(didn’t calculate), 30,000*.125=3,750 shaved off of defense.

Even, if you were to go back to using Eth Bugged Exile in D2lod, the Eth would only negate about 7,000 Defense. Which neither Paladins were using Exile in the video.

Conclusion: Fools mod is significantly better than .125 from Eth rune. Also, these Zealots usually have Viso on their helms which is another 1633 attack rating boost from Fools mod. 11597 AR vs 3,750 Defense. Fools clearly wins by large margin.

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No it's terrible. - 12.5% is additive with off armor ed. So 1 lvl of holy shield or defiance synergy already completely negates the effect.

The reason it's good in pvm is that hardly any monsters have ed bonus, which means it's actually -25% defence


I see
I didnt know that ed buffed def behaves different for the calculation
makes perfect sense
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Sep 12 2023 09:56am
Quote (Tarisus @ Sep 12 2023 11:49am)
Since you won’t post any numbers to back up your statements, here’s mine:

For a Paladin shown in video, skill levels would be exactly lvl 25 if they had Anni/Torch/Battle Command. 250% from Zeal, 160% from Fana, 100% from Blessed Aim with a total of 510% and adding base attack rating its 610%.

At lvl 99, attack rating from fools is 1633.5. 1633.5*6.1=9964 Attack rating after skills.(With viso on helm its 11,597 Attack rating from Fools).

For a Zealot shown in video, they have about 20-30k Defense(didn’t calculate), 30,000*.125=3,750 shaved off of defense.

Even, if you were to go back to using Eth Bugged Exile in D2lod, the Eth would only negate about 7,000 Defense. Which neither Paladins were using Exile in the video.

Conclusion: Fools mod is significantly better than .125 from Eth rune. Also, these Zealots usually have Viso on their helms which is another 1633 attack rating boost from Fools mod. 11597 AR vs 3,750 Defense. Fools clearly wins by large margin.


If it’s additive, then it won’t grant 3,750. It’s essentially useless. So more like 11597 AR vs 750 defense (base defense *.125).

This post was edited by Tarisus on Sep 12 2023 10:01am
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