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Aug 23 2021 11:15am
Goodshill... Damn your signature. I actually touched my monitor screen thinking there was a bug on it :D :D: D
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You guys just need to chill and stop being overdramatic about it. It's a known Glitch for years that you probably all just got used to. Now you just gotta get used glitch not being around. Don't be afraid for new changes, it would actually be more fun playing without it
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Aug 23 2021 11:20am
Quote (bobsyns @ Aug 23 2021 12:13pm)
In that case you can simply apply 0.10-0.15 seconds cooldown on Mind blast? Since i can already see that the only real concern for people is actually Mind blast correct?


no, it warps the game in a huge way for mind blast, smite, war cry and shockwave, but it also still warps the game to a significant extent for most pvp builds. Something as mundane as a fire sorc telestomping you can easily result in being FHR locked to death 100->0 in a situation where right now you can simply get hit once or twice while wsging away to dodge fireballs, then turn and punish the sorc. It completely destroys amazons who rely on Dodge/Evade/Avoid, since they have always been permastunned by any rapid attacks hitting them of any kind and had only WSG as a way to interrupt it and reset. And even in situations where you can already escape, like blocking multiple times in a row, WSG is how you briefly reposition to escape and teleport out safely

the dueling meta is really not built for how the game handles animation interrupting effects that stop you from attacking/casting, because there are so many ways to be hitstun locked. It would be like if in competitive fighting games you could combo people indefinitely with minimal effort on half the moves. There's no counterplay possible in too many cases, and no easy way to fix it without completely changing the D2 formula. I mean, you could remove WSG and give players a 'dash' movement with a huge stamina % scaling cost that makes you ignore animation interrupting effects briefly, and then you'd open whatever can of worms that brings

Quote (bobsyns @ Aug 23 2021 12:17pm)
You guys just need to chill and stop being overdramatic about it. It's a known Glitch for years that you probably all just got used to. Now you just gotta get used glitch not being around. Don't be afraid for new changes, it would actually be more fun playing without it


there's nothing to get used to about assassins namelock mind blasting people
we had a month a few years ago where the classic games team patched out WSG and dueling games were in an awful place until they patched it back in. We've seen what its like, its terrible

the worst part is that the D2 netcode results in you rubber banding horrendously because the game still doesn't handle the fact you're only moving about 1/3 of the time as you're in hit recovery the other 2/3, so any time you tried to run while under mind blast spam you kept getting desync teleported back a few steps and your screen jittered like a madman while you barely moved at all, it bugged out completely. And that's exactly what we see in D2r when it was tested.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 23 2021 11:22am
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Quote (alzheimertib2 @ Aug 23 2021 07:14pm)
i will ask you a question but it's for all of you guys.
did you start having fun on pvp when you did learn wsg,str bug etc ?
i had fun even when i didnt know shit. pvp was already fun.
Fun came far before i knew how to duel.
i will enjoy public pvp without hack , i will rather have wsg vs trapper but i will have fun anyway.

mode rant on: TMC fuck you, if you will play the fucking D2R , you have to change name or be far better than me because your hack killed my fun on old d2 , i will make you pay for it.

tdlr : i respect you guys to play the game as you do know, but iam sure you all had a lot of fun even knowing what wsg was.


it might not kill the game for you or me, but WSG fix (current state) doesn't have a single advantage for anyone.....
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Aug 23 2021 11:29am
Quote (D2Rikku @ Aug 23 2021 07:24pm)
it might not kill the game for you or me, but WSG fix (current state) doesn't have a single advantage for anyone.....


I Hope they revert it because i am egoistic and i want an advantage on noob like 99,999% of bnet but it wont break my fun.
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Aug 23 2021 11:31am
Quote (bobsyns @ Aug 24 2021 03:17am)
You guys just need to chill and stop being overdramatic about it. It's a known Glitch for years that you probably all just got used to. Now you just gotta get used glitch not being around. Don't be afraid for new changes, it would actually be more fun playing without it


We can all expect D2R to still be a fun, nostalgic, and novel experience.

but most of us have played enough D2 to know what to expect in a meta without WSG, and it won't be a surprise to us.

and it's not just about sin mindblast, many classes and all characters are affected.

I think chargers and FoH paladins will also have a great time. fun... :rofl:

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Quote (M0NRCH @ Aug 23 2021 12:31pm)
We can all expect D2R to still be a fun, nostalgic, and novel experience.

but most of us have played enough D2 to know what to expect in a meta without WSG, and it won't be a surprise to us.

and it's not just about sin mindblast, many classes and all characters are affected.

I think chargers and FoH paladins will also have a great time. fun. :rofl:


Oh dear lord, i forgot about FoH and Charge..
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Aug 23 2021 11:45am
Quote (M0NRCH @ Aug 23 2021 12:31pm)
We can all expect D2R to still be a fun, nostalgic, and novel experience.

but most of us have played enough D2 to know what to expect in a meta without WSG, and it won't be a surprise to us.

and it's not just about sin mindblast, many classes and all characters are affected.

I think chargers and FoH paladins will also have a great time. fun... :rofl:


don't forget how charge sync isn't changed and how charge itself struggled hard against WSG sync, because while you're syncing charge literally can't hit you, only when it updates your position
you could wsg away from a pally charging you and only get hit every like 5+ seconds. Now they'll hit every time
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Aug 23 2021 11:48am
WSG needs to stay gone. They need to instead fix assn name locking or make stuns less effective in PVP.
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Aug 23 2021 11:50am
Lmao people who can't exploit the game crying like hoes.

Hilarious.
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