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Aug 23 2021 07:42am
Quote (beo80 @ Aug 23 2021 02:36pm)
Never used the WSG and did just fine actually hitting breakpoints.


You never dueled someone decent.
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Quote (DHA @ Aug 23 2021 09:42am)
You never dueled someone decent.


This is why I like bvb lol I still don't understand it on d2
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Aug 23 2021 07:47am
Quote (DHA @ Aug 23 2021 08:42am)
You never dueled someone decent.


Didn't play a class dependent on it and if I got caught, I messed up. Have not died 100% - 0% since wake of fire traps in like .08 was it?
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Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 22 2021 08:08pm)
yeah the more replies you guys add to these posts, the more we can respond to our own posts and double up the bumps


All you have to do to keep the thread bumped is keep responding to this guy named Zax
He will endlessly argue with anyone, even about things he sincerely knows nothing about.
I've never seen someone get troll baited so easily.

I actually started to wonder if he was someone's alt, doing this on purpose so we had a reason to bump the thread.
His arguments aren't even good, almost as if he was purposely providing invalid opinions on the matter.
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Aug 23 2021 07:54am
Quote (TSBoyer @ Aug 23 2021 06:52am)
All you have to do to keep the thread bumped is keep responding to this guy named Zax
He will endlessly argue with anyone, even about things he sincerely knows nothing about.
I've never seen someone get troll baited so easily.

I actually started to wonder if he was someone's alt, doing this on purpose so we had a reason to bump the thread.
His arguments aren't even good, almost as if he was purposely providing invalid opinions on the matter.


Perfect description of that thread, lol.
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Aug 23 2021 08:35am
Think Cooley and Llama have been the only streamers to address it and Cooley was being a jackass about it so who knows if they’ll take note
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Quote (LBproz @ Aug 23 2021 10:35am)
Think Cooley and Llama have been the only streamers to address it and Cooley was being a jackass about it so who knows if they’ll take note


I felt like Cooley was calm & professional about it.
Didn't see Llama's video though.
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Aug 23 2021 08:56am
GhOsT-Koda and I did some light testing on this and wanted to share the results with you all. We have not had a chance to do actual duels yet as Koda's character were still being leveled.

The classes that we tested on were: 99fhr Druid and 86fhr Sorc (worse FHR in game and also the classes) against 102FCR Assassin.

Results:
It is "possible" to get out of mb spam and a few traps by simply walking down and/or teleing away, however you have to do it before getting hard stun locked (i.e. 3+ traps + mb + fb/ww). When you add in the extra layer of hit checks, then its pretty much all over without wsg to get you out. I believe that a necro can still "win" against as 102fcr trapper by playing extremely, extremely defensively, but anyone can l8z ibs/teeth spam and win so this would not be a good way to test. With whirlwind, it will definitely will make things tougher for sure. Ghosts already beat necros even with WSG prevalent, so there is no point in testing without.

We did not test with 174fcr yet, but I'd imagine that it will be significantly harder (especially with fireblast).

Conclusion:
If Blizzard does not fix WSG, tier 1 assassin players will dominate the PVP scene.

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Aug 23 2021 08:59am
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Aug 23 2021 09:04am
Quote (DHA @ 23 Aug 2021 15:42)
You never dueled someone decent.


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Aug 23 2021 09:31am
This was in response to a discussion about making new GM rulesets to accommodate a no WSG D2.
Posting here because it's good discussion:


Quote (TSBoyer @ Aug 23 2021 11:23am)

We could do this, but I'm pretty sure it would eliminate Trapper as a viable build completely.
And then with the problems to Whirlwind, I'm not even sure Ghosts or Spiders could make it without use of Mind Blast.

This problem with WSG is going to destroy the game's intra-class dynamic in immeasurable ways.
I don't think we'll be able to "make new GM rules". The full cause & effect of what's going on here will make this virtually impossible to do.
For example: With no WSG, Any Assassin build using Mind Blast will dominant a Bowazon or anything else for that matter. But if we ban Mind Blast and there are Whirlwind problems, how is an Assassin supposed to handle a Bowazon or any other build?
Assassin as a class will either be highly dominant or not viable at all with the removal of WSG and new GM rules. This is fucked, but it isn't the only thing that's fucked. It's just the easiest biggest glaring example to use.

People also seem to be forgetting that not all stuns come from stun skills. Most of it usually just comes from very large damage, which there will be no way to center GM rules around.
And before anyone brings up "Just use FHR" I want to point out how detrimental that will be to some build structures or classes in general. To be able to have enough FHR on some classes,
it will destroy their viable gear options to be able to achieve absolutely mandatory breakpoints in other areas and have enough life/mana/frw value to even be viable in pvp after they've achieved the FHR required to not insta-die in a raw damage stun lock.
This FHR thing is actually quite counter intuitive because, the more FHR you dip to get in your charm inv, the less life value you have, and the less life value you have, the easier it is to get stunned from raw damage.

If a person was to stop for a moment, take about 15 minutes out of their day, and seriously consider "how" they would design a GM ruleset to accommodate & fix this bullshit currently going on D2r,
they'd realize it won't be realistic to do without creating a massive margin of difference in viability between class to class. This is unfortunately how it will pan out and the game's pvp is going to be as bad or worse as Diablo 3's.

This is no false alarm here boys. Game's fucked in its current state. Get loud in the official forum if you care.
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