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Mar 3 2022 04:02pm
Quote (oscarmk @ Mar 3 2022 11:00pm)
Can work against trapsins sometimes, since they tend to just stay around their traps, but won’t be able to do this against a sorc unless he drops his mouse


well with the new 2.4 change to invocations you may make a pretty good fury/invoc hybrid druid and chase those soso with teleport and you invocs
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Quote (Bers3rker @ Mar 3 2022 04:02pm)
well with the new 2.4 change to invocations you may make a pretty good fury/invoc hybrid druid and chase those soso with teleport and you invocs



Yeah potentially, at the very least now if they make a mistake they will really be punished with the increased speed
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Mar 3 2022 04:04pm
=ceiling((FramesPrDirection +1)*256/(1+(175/100))/floor(256*(100+EIAS)/100;1);1)

This is the closest formula for now for serial attacks on fury.

My thought process was:
Old fury serial formula, but with human druid FramesPrDirection, without the custom AnimRate created from delay function etc.
And then swapping out 100% rollback with 175% rollback lol xD

But matter of fact i just got an idea meanwhile writing this, which includes making AnimRate 40% faster and see how that turns out ingame.

Which would be like this or smt lol:
=ceiling((FramesPrDirection +1)/2*256/floor(256*1,4*(100+EIAS)/100;1);1)

But there would be several formulas to test with a 40% faster AnimRate as well.
Like:
=ceiling(FramesPrDirection*256/floor(256*1,4*(100+EIAS)/100;1);1)
And
=ceiling(FramesPrDirection*256/floor(256*1,4*(100+EIAS)/100;1);1)-1

Anyway, i just did the 3 lesser ubers, just to die in real ubertrist vs ubermeph lol.
Why cant they just give us real gear. Like 20 x 20/5@ and torches and annie and Forti and duress and perfect craft and shit..

I used:
Eth reapers shael
Highlord
Loh/dracs
Precast fade, then duress
Strings
Gores
Soj
Raven

The 3 scs u get
The 3 skillers u get

Hmmm maby the other chars have scs? Really hard with uber meph when u got negative res prior to conv... XD
I also dont have a merc xD
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Mar 3 2022 04:06pm
Quote (gel87 @ Mar 3 2022 11:04pm)
=ceiling((FramesPrDirection +1)*256/(1+(175/100))/floor(256*(100+EIAS)/100;1);1)

This is the closest formula for now for serial attacks on fury.

My thought process was:
Old fury serial formula, but with human druid FramesPrDirection, without the custom AnimRate created from delay function etc.
And then swapping out 100% rollback with 175% rollback lol xD

But matter of fact i just got an idea meanwhile writing this, which includes making AnimRate 40% faster and see how that turns out ingame.

Which would be like this or smt lol:
=ceiling((FramesPrDirection +1)/2*256/floor(256*1,4*(100+EIAS)/100;1);1)

But there would be several formulas to test with a 40% faster AnimRate as well.
Like:
=ceiling(FramesPrDirection*256/floor(256*1,4*(100+EIAS)/100;1);1)
And
=ceiling(FramesPrDirection*256/floor(256*1,4*(100+EIAS)/100;1);1)-1

Anyway, i just did the 3 lesser ubers, just to die in real ubertrist vs ubermeph lol.
Why cant they just give us real gear. Like 20 x 20/5@ and torches and annie and Forti and duress and perfect craft and shit..

I used:
Eth reapers shael
Highlord
Loh/dracs
Precast fade, then duress
Strings
Gores
Soj
Raven

The 3 scs u get
The 3 skillers u get

Hmmm maby the other chars have scs? Really hard with uber meph when u got negative res prior to conv... XD
I also dont have a merc xD


raid the other chars for those 5@rez scs and you know you can stash your dudu gear in sharedchest then delete him he will be back with his scs & skillers after you restart the game

This post was edited by Bers3rker on Mar 3 2022 04:07pm
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Mar 3 2022 04:11pm
Quote (oscarmk @ Mar 3 2022 10:51pm)
We still need skill FRW, otherwise it is still a waiting game for them to do a mistake, impossible to hit anyone using a enigma if they play very defensively and well, doesn’t matter if we do 1 million damage at 1 frame we can’t touch them unless they make a mistake


Yeah I know.
Aldurs boots, 3SS/30FRW/2os circlet+mavinas belt.
90frw

Can even add some FRW skiller.
But that's why I like LLD and MLD.
Not everyone is using Enigma and teleporting around.


But the chance to hit is the biggest issue against high lvl.
Yet a lvl 49 Fohdin has no issues at all.

This post was edited by der_feine_herrr on Mar 3 2022 04:17pm
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Mar 3 2022 04:14pm
Quote (oscarmk @ Mar 3 2022 10:51pm)
We still need skill FRW, otherwise it is still a waiting game for them to do a mistake, impossible to hit anyone using a enigma if they play very defensively and well, doesn’t matter if we do 1 million damage at 1 frame we can’t touch them unless they make a mistake


Druid can easy teleport in pvp and shape after teleport.
You need 68 to 99 fcr to make it viable.
You also need a decent ammount of gear ias to be even more viable.
Strengt bug will ofc be missed.
Watch this movie, then click my channel and watch everything with werewolf in title and you will see that it works just fine:


Now you May hybrid in several ways as well eth botd giant tresher = ias break 3 frames alone. May be hard with resists, but thats a +4 range adder hard hitting wepon with 30 dex converted into massive at. Im sure eth tomb is godly as well, eth reapers has a little to low range adder for pvp. But eth thunder maul botd with 3 frame attack will slam hard. With such wepons and attack frames you May not need rabies which by the way is buffed as well. You May have a swarm of zoo around you, which makes you freely able to jump hammers. How many hammers do he need to kill zoo? Zoo also have higher life than before..

You May also hybrid into some elemental shit, u can even reach 4 frames easy with eth earth shifter and then throw elemental spells on the side.
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In 2 chaos runs i found 15ias jool, gris helm and 4soc eth wyrhide lol xD


All in all what blizzard did here has put the werewolf in a Great spot which is flexible, Shame about bear though ^^

This post was edited by gel87 on Mar 3 2022 04:18pm
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Mar 3 2022 04:22pm
Quote (gel87 @ Mar 3 2022 04:14pm)
Druid can easy teleport in pvp and shape after teleport.
You need 68 to 99 fcr to make it viable.
You also need a decent ammount of gear ias to be even more viable.
Strengt bug will ofc be missed.
Watch this movie, then click my channel and watch everything with werewolf in title and you will see that it works just fine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzhRLMhaRgU

Now you May hybrid in several ways as well eth botd giant tresher = ias break 3 frames alone. May be hard with resists, but thats a +4 range adder hard hitting wepon with 30 dex converted into massive at. Im sure eth tomb is godly as well, eth reapers has a little to low range adder for pvp. But eth thunder maul botd with 3 frame attack will slam hard. With such wepons and attack frames you May not need rabies which by the way is buffed as well. You May have a swarm of zoo around you, which makes you freely able to jump hammers. How many hammers do he need to kill zoo? Zoo also have higher life than before..

You May also hybrid into some elemental shit, u can even reach 4 frames easy with eth earth shifter and then throw elemental spells on the side.



I agree definitely a lot of things to try now, not sure about tele shift, but with fcr perhaps it can work and fcr could also now be used for spells perhaps.
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Quote (oscarmk @ Mar 3 2022 11:22pm)
I agree definitely a lot of things to try now, not sure about tele shift, but with fcr perhaps it can work and fcr could also now be used for spells perhaps.


I think eth earthshifter need 30 or 40 ias to reach 4 frame fury.

Now Imagine this:
Highlord 20ias+37% deadly strike, 1 skills and 35lr.
Eth earthshifter:
10fcr/10ias/7elemental skills/33% cb/198 to 1080 damage.
Trang ouls
2 druid/20fcr/30frw/20@/visio/chamBer or Lo or 15ias/15@
Dungo
10fcr/str/dex/ar/mana/@
10fcr/str/dex/ar/mana/@
Gores (Nn fhr anymore)
Enigma
Cta + spirit

Precast enchant.

Torch
Annie
9 ele skillers
Mix of 20/5@ and 322s

We are now at:
5 all skills
5 druid skills
16 elemental skills

We need maby lvl 25 werewolf, so we skill 15 werewolf. (15)
We max fury. (20)
We put 1 oak, how, raven, spirit wolf, dire wolf, grizzly(6)
We put 1 frost inferno(1)
We put 1 feral and rabies to get to fury(2)
We put 1 lycan(1)

At lvl 99 we are left with:
110-15-20-6-1-2-1 = 65 skills

We put:
20 cyclone
5 twister
20 nado
20 Hurricane

68fcr
Aboutly the same damage as d2lod werewolf using eth tombreaver.
Good ar thanks to buff.
4fpa fury
52% deadly strike
48% crushing blow
10% ow
4853-5095 nado dmg
1943-2024 hurricane dmg
5 ravens
1 grizzly(higher life than before)
3 dire wold(higher life than before)
5 spirit wolfs(higher life than before)
1 oak or how(higher life and more resists than before)
105frw

Also easily convert able to 99fcr by adding fcr ammu, and arach, then swap diadem with 2/20/30/2*15ias/15@ and raven for cnbf.

And this is just 1 example of whats possible now.

2 handed or 1 handed beast with ctc amp from atma fury-tele-summoner.

Stormlash ctc nadoes with atma for amplify dmg, ofc static as well. Maby even slam on 2k firestorm dmg and 400% ed from pheonix which are none interuptible now.

Destruction funzor volcano build with pheonix offhand and armageddon raining down.

Faith bow wolf (16 frames pr direction and fana, maby gets 2fpa attack, dno)

Much cool stuff ^^
Can even put on a doom to be as annoying as fuck, and add hefty hurricane.

This post was edited by gel87 on Mar 3 2022 04:59pm
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Quote (gel87 @ Mar 3 2022 04:47pm)
I think eth earthshifter need 30 or 40 ias to reach 4 frame fury.

Now Imagine this:
Highlord 20ias+37% deadly strike, 1 skills and 35lr.
Eth earthshifter:
10fcr/10ias/7elemental skills/33% cb/198 to 1080 damage.
Trang ouls
2 druid/20fcr/30frw/20@/visio/chamBer or Lo
Dungo
10fcr/str/dex/ar/mana/@
10fcr/str/dex/ar/mana/@
Gores (Nn fhr anymore)
Enigma
Cta + spirit

Precast enchant.

Torch
Annie
9 ele skillers
Mix of 20/5@ and 322s

We are now at:
5 all skills
5 druid skills
16 elemental skills

We need maby lvl 25 werewolf, so we skill 15 werewolf. (15)
We max fury. (20)
We put 1 oak, how, raven, spirit wolf, dire wolf, grizzly(6)
We put 1 frost inferno(1)
We put 1 feral and rabies to get to fury(2)
We put 1 lycan(1)

At lvl 99 we are left with:
tel:110-15-20-6-1-2-1110-15-20-6-1-2-1[/URL] = 65 skills

We put:
20 cyclone
5 twister
20 nado
20 Hurricane

68fcr
Aboutly the same damage as d2lod werewolf using eth tombreaver.
Good ar thanks to buff.
4fpa fury
52% deadly strike
48% crushing blow
10% ow
tel:4853-50954853-5095[/URL] nado dmg
1943-2024 hurricane dmg
5 ravens
1 grizzly(higher life than before)
3 dire wold(higher life than before)
5 spirit wolfs(higher life than before)
1 oak or how(higher life and more resists than before)
105frw

And this is just 1 example of whats possible now.

2 handed or 1 handed beast with ctc amp from atma fury-tele-summoner.

Stormlash ctc nadoes with atma for amplify dmg, ofc static as well. Maby even slam on 2k firestorm dmg and 400% ed from pheonix which are none interuptible now.

Destruction funzor volcano build with pheonix offhand and armageddon raining down.

Faith bow wolf (16 frames pr direction and fana, maby gets 2fpa attack, dno)

Much cool stuff ^^



It sounds cool to try out, the ele druid on its own is already very good, shifting to wolf for fun would be cool lol.

I think I will go the shape shifter route, with max cyclone and hurricane probably. 2/20/30 circlet, arachnids, trangs and 10frw/10fcr amulet (already have this one), to try tele fury in some match ups. Against paladins, barbs, just fortitude of course. In particular want to be able to beat smiters so that will be my focus. I think with 50K AR and range 5 ebotd GPA, 46% DR, 3 frames and the FHR changes finally smiters won’t be laughing at wolfs anymore.

The problem with ebotd thunder maul is the meh 3 range, 5 range ebotd gpa at 3 frames sounds nice as hell. Tomb 2x Lo, could be pretty cool too with the resistances. Or just 2x 40/15 max nor sure which one would be best, they would be close for sure Lo or 40/15 max as opposed to 40/ias, still it is a small bump over 40/15 ias, might not even be worth it depending on rest of equipment

This post was edited by oscarmk on Mar 3 2022 05:14pm
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