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Nov 7 2022 01:37am
Quote (Dadilydoo @ Nov 7 2022 02:20am)
Infinity and Reaper's are equal in clear speed if all of the council members group up nicely, but it's a bit faster when they are scattered around. There's also zero chance for corpses to shatter, and the only time your merc will die is if he's under Conviction, which can't happen if he has Infinity. Infinity is mostly QoL but it is the better option.


yes 100%, always see ppl say hur hur, cold dmg, but back when i used reapers + ww, it avgs 1 corpse shattered per run or so. Although at high gear levels, the dps output is so much that you don't really need the decrep anymore, and the 1 corpse is noticeable.

I am doubtful, however, infinity is the best option. Maybe it is in HC, but infinity has no ias, which cripples his dps output. With Gangel/kira combo, he's essentially reduced to canceling conviction, splitting aggro, and (sometimes) providing might aura.

My setup is just ebotd/coh/cham'd gface setup, and does just fine tanking conviction essentially by himself. There's something like 23% leech in this setup so it's very difficult for him to actually die.

With this offensive output, you can stop dpsing when there's 3-4 guys left and start horking, thereby shaving off some time.

https://youtu.be/u6PYUcV8yTg



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Quote (cantero @ Nov 7 2022 08:25am)
Oh i see, that is usefull for HC. But expensive solution :D


Yeah, I would not go Infinity unless I plan on doing several thousand runs in one ladder, or have a use for it on a second character.
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Nov 7 2022 01:41am
Godlike post :hail:

Would you mind sharing your build?
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Quote (NotEnoughDiablo @ Nov 7 2022 08:41am)
Godlike post :hail:

Would you mind sharing your build?


In a nutshell, the build is 2 Grief, Arreats (replace with Shako in SC), Enigma, War Trav, Arachnid, LoH, BK Ring and a rare ring with 10 FCR and mana leech. 2x Hoto on swap. Hoto is for FCR and skills to Find Item. Chuck a Cham in the helmet for CBF.

Merc is running Kiras, Guardian Angel and Infinity. Before Infinity, use Reaper's Toll. RT has cold damage, but you will out dps your merc by so much that you won't see shattered corpses very often. In all my testing, it's been worth for the buff from Decrepify.
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Nov 7 2022 01:44am
Quote (daanno2 @ Nov 7 2022 08:37am)
yes 100%, always see ppl say hur hur, cold dmg, but back when i used reapers + ww, it avgs 1 corpse shattered per run or so. Although at high gear levels, the dps output is so much that you don't really need the decrep anymore, and the 1 corpse is noticeable.

I am doubtful, however, infinity is the best option. Maybe it is in HC, but infinity has no ias, which cripples his dps output. With Gangel/kira combo, he's essentially reduced to canceling conviction, splitting aggro, and (sometimes) providing might aura.

My setup is just ebotd/coh/cham'd gface setup, and does just fine tanking conviction essentially by himself. There's something like 23% leech in this setup so it's very difficult for him to actually die.

With this offensive output, you can stop dpsing when there's 3-4 guys left and start horking, thereby shaving off some time.

https://youtu.be/u6PYUcV8yTg


In all my testing, I have still saved about 1 second per run using Reaper's/Infinity. However, I didn't do my testing using perfect Griefs and 3/20 small charms etc for absolute optimal DPS. I'm sure you can reach a point where you have enough ED and Dex to where Decrep/Conv doesn't make any difference, but with for most people in endgame, Reaper's will still be worth it. At least from what I gathered in my testing :D
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Nov 7 2022 01:59am
ty for posting this. I'll make sure i never try that lol.
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Nov 7 2022 02:06am
Quote (Dadilydoo @ 7 Nov 2022 08:44)
In all my testing, I have still saved about 1 second per run using Reaper's/Infinity. However, I didn't do my testing using perfect Griefs and 3/20 small charms etc for absolute optimal DPS. I'm sure you can reach a point where you have enough ED and Dex to where Decrep/Conv doesn't make any difference, but with for most people in endgame, Reaper's will still be worth it. At least from what I gathered in my testing :D


Budget Option if you don't want shattered corpses: Eth Ariocs Needle. +4 to all skills means +4 Might Aura. 50% ds is no joke. Can socket with amn/sheal or ed/ias jewel depending on rest of the gear.

This post was edited by justAddi on Nov 7 2022 02:07am
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Nov 7 2022 02:11am
Quote (Dadilydoo @ Nov 7 2022 02:44am)
In all my testing, I have still saved about 1 second per run using Reaper's/Infinity. However, I didn't do my testing using perfect Griefs and 3/20 small charms etc for absolute optimal DPS. I'm sure you can reach a point where you have enough ED and Dex to where Decrep/Conv doesn't make any difference, but with for most people in endgame, Reaper's will still be worth it. At least from what I gathered in my testing :D


Sorry I wasn't very clear. You will of course be slightly faster with reapers, but it still avgs about 1 corpse shattered, not 0. With 75% ish find item, this comes to around a 1/22 loss in efficiency. Which is equivalent to more than a 1 second increase in speed.

As for infinity, I like to warcry/battlecry the mobs anyway before dps, achieving basically a 95% cth if you take into account griefs ITD already and - 25% defence vs the 3 superuniques.
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Nov 7 2022 02:21am
Quote (daanno2 @ Nov 7 2022 09:11am)
Sorry I wasn't very clear. You will of course be slightly faster with reapers, but it still avgs about 1 corpse shattered, not 0. With 75% ish find item, this comes to around a 1/22 loss in efficiency. Which is equivalent to more than a 1 second increase in speed.

As for infinity, I like to warcry/battlecry the mobs anyway before dps, achieving basically a 95% cth if you take into account griefs ITD already and - 25% defence vs the 3 superuniques.


In reality, you're looking at 1-2 corpses every 10 runs with Reaper's. At least in my testing, the time saved more than made up for it :)
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Nov 7 2022 02:29am
Quote (Dadilydoo @ Nov 7 2022 03:21am)
In reality, you're looking at 1-2 corpses every 10 runs with Reaper's. At least in my testing, the time saved more than made up for it :)


There's either a 20 or 25% chance to shatter from cold dmg (couldn't quite confirm correct number). For him to shatter 1-2 corpses every 10 runs, he's only hitting max 1 monster per run? Very unlikely, unless you have some kind of godlike ww technique I dont know about.

The way I tested was by actually counting the # of corpses horked every run, and it's pretty close on avg to 1 per. Although I will say that I have a gf focused setup, so likely doing a bit less dmg than you (2x near perf grief pb, 10max/gf gcs, but no LoH gores etc).

Ttk is usually 10s or lower.
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