If 2 frames isn’t achievable that certainly seems to make tomb reaver supbar weapon now, with only the resistances as benefit 🤔🤔, although 2x Lo tomb reaver might still be the superior weapon, will need to do do more testing.

Of course Grief at 3 frames would absolutely dominate even WW barbs, even if they use shield or have 30K defense, just need to shift fury them.

BvC barb in public PvP might die in 1 pass lol, would be funny

This post was edited by oscarmk on Mar 3 2022 12:36pm

and its certainly not impossible to reach those ias numbers, with a 25werewolf skill ias

offweapon:
highlords - 20%
lay o hands - 20%
belt - 10%
shield/helm fervor jewel 15%x

weapon:
you can probably make any weapon work if you really wanted to

Are we saying the 150 IAS cap, doesn’t matter if IAS comes from weapon, equipment or Werewolf it is all the same, and there’s no difference after 150% sheet IAS?

that's not quite correct

1) weapon ias and off-weapon ias are treated the same now

2) But look at the EIAS formulas:

EIAS = floor(120*Ias/(120+IAS)+SkillIas-WSM

so you can see IAS (from weapon+gear) is treated slightly differently from skill ias and WSM

SKILLIAS and WSM have more of an impact

the 150 cap is on EIAS

This post was edited by vertster123 on Mar 3 2022 12:40pm

Not to mention 25 WW is quite low, but would be the goal on hybrid builds of course, such as rabies, maybe some new ones with max cyclone/hurricane or max raven/bear 🤔
Also 2 socket helms would be really nice, even potentially the 45/120s with frw

thats what im trying to figure out now, is the minimum level of WW needed for a hybrid hurricane build

Thanks for clarifying Skill IAS in this case being Werewolf?, what is WSM again?

skill ias is from werewolf yes (or burst of speed or fanatacism)

wsm = weapon speed modifier (0 for zerker, -10 for scourge, -30 for phase blade etc)

Thanks, so using Tomb Reaver with 90% IAS, 30% helm, 20% amulet and 10% gloves which is 150 IAS that’s max cap IAS Correct?. Which means if this setup with Lvl 40 werewolf does not reach 2 frames, there isn’t anything else that can be done on your own righr? Maybe only possibel to reach 2 frames if someone brings fanaticism, is this accurate?

Although it also seems that perhaps Grief PB 40% IAS (-30 WSM), lvl 40 werewolf, equipment IAS to reach 150, that is 45 IAS helm, 20 gloves 20 amulet, 15 shield and 10 belt, max 150, is the only usable weapon that maybe can reach 2 frames on its own?

This post was edited by oscarmk on Mar 3 2022 12:53pm