So if we used both armor and weapon...

1) 30wpn + 55armor = 85ias (is this enough to reach 4f? The old value was 80 with a TR was it not?

2) then add ~65ias from werewolf (by some calculation) thus potentially breaking into the 3f territory?

What are wsm, sias and eias?

EIAS is your total one, that’s the one capped at 150. Because WSM and SIAS have same units, they can be added or subtracted whereas weapon and gear IAS has different unit so it has to be converted by this: EIAS=(120*ias)/(120+ias).

To put it in English form, EIAS is your effective speed but weapon and gear ias has a diminishing returns because of the formula above. It shows the DR when you see the graph.

This post was edited by Tarisus on Mar 2 2022 10:54pm

Interesting, and thank you for your explanation 👍 looks like I'm gonna have to dive into another d2 rabbit hole

I remain curious what the exact values will be

are you testing only with the slow swing by itself, or are you swinging on monster/player to see the fast swings too?

So I did some non scientific testing

Constant Gear:
Highlords: 20ias
Goldwrap: 10ias
non-ias other

Constant Skill:
20 werewolf

Variable Gear:
30%ias azurewrath
50%ias azurewrath (shaeled)
60%ias ebotd
100%ias 5shaeled PB
45%ias treachery

There is clearly a breakpoint when using the 30% ias azurewrath opposed to 50% azurewrath, the latter of which seems to take it from 4f down to 3f - this was between 60% and 80% character sheet attack speed

Using the 30% azurewrath, the constant gear, and a 45% ias treachery, it brought the attack speed from 4f to 3f

This means that gloves may have a large impact come patch day, I couldn't test with laying of hands (+20ias)

also, attacking using FURY is faster than just shift clicking at nothing

This post was edited by Brandoloni on Mar 3 2022 09:30am

yeah that's what I'm saying, the paw you get swinging at nothing is the 1 slow frame of fury, can't truly see the fast swings unless there is a target

Not reading all, so may druid hit 4 frame fury with grief pb (40%) now?

Lvl 20 conc + lvl 20 might is better.

Anyway:

Im offshore in the north sea. And i dont have d2lod here. So its a little hard to test for myself.
I have together with a guy tested some, and the 3 formulas i have tried seems to fail.

EIAS = floor(120*Ias/(120+IAS)+SkillIas-WSM
Relevant frames pr direction:
BOWS and FIST: 16
All 2 hands exept spear and swords: 17
All 1 handed weps: 19
Crossbow: 20
2 handed swords: 21
2 handed spears: 23
Assa Claws: 11
Animrate is always 256, exeption assa which has 208.
Bone Fetish and Vampire used to have custom Animrate as well, but dno now.

Paw attack formula for both bear and werewolf should be:
Ceiling(FramesPerDiretion*256/floor(Animrate*(100+EIAS)/100))-1
This includes first hit of fury.

Now comes the hard part.
Serial attacks(the followup attacks of fury) :
Patch note: "40% faster between attacks"
The old formula used to be 40% faster then paw attack. So i tried to compare some and use druid unshaped frames.
Ceiling((FramesPrDirection+1)/2*256/floor(256*(100+EIAS)/100))
Ceiling((FramesPrDirection+1)/2*256*0,6/floor(256*(100+EIAS)/100))
Ceiling(FramesPerDiretion*256*0,6/floor(Animrate*(100+EIAS)/100))

All those 3 failed. They did not seem to match, even though i was not testing myself.

So now i have decided to take the patch notes literal, 40% faster than paw attack? Ignoring all old rules where serial attacks does not have the -1 in the end.
Ceiling(FramesPerDiretion*256*0,6/floor(Animrate*(100+EIAS)/100))-1

I wanna test the last formula.
But for some1 who has d2lod + d2r PTR patch its easy to check.

Level 1 werewolf has:
20% skill ias.

Great maul has:
+20 WSM.

This results in a start of 0 EIAS.

By using this last formula such setup would have theese EIAS and ias breakpoints.
Frames - Eias - IAS
16/10/10/10/10 - 0 - 0
16/9/9/9/9 - 3 - 4
15/9/9/9/9 - 7 - 8
14/8/8/8/8 - 14 - 16
13/8/8/8/8 - 22 - 27
13/7/7/7/7 - 28 - 37
12/7/7/7/7 - 31 - 42
11/7/7/7/7 - 42 - 65
11/6/6/6/6 - 47 - 78
10/6/6/6/6 - 55 - 102
9/5/5/5/5 - 71 - 174

To test this you need:
D2lod, create char.
Hero Editor: Add items and make char lvl 99 and all quest and ready for hell. as well as 110 skills ready to be used and 505 stats ready for use.
Great Maul with no stats inside.
skill lvl 1 werewolf
skill lvl 20 fury
1 charm (to survive and hit while testing: 100str/100dex/500life/50% max life/500 mana/10% life leech/10% mana leech/200@ res/50% dr/50mdr/50dr/Max AR/Max ARprLVL/MAX BONUS% AR/LVL 20 CONVICTION)
2 charms with: 100ias
1 charm with: 50ias
4 charms with: 10ias
1 charm with: 5 ias
4 charms with: 1 ias

For further breakpoint we also have a:
Skill Werewolf to lvl 20.
Add a Warschyte with: 2 all skill lvls.
This will give us -10 WSM and 70 SIAS.
Which means we start at 80EIAS

Next breakpoints to be tested now is:
FPA - EIAS - IAS
8/5/5/5/5 - 90 - 11
8/4/4/4/4 - 105 - 32
7/4/4/4/4 - 113 - 46
6/4/4/4/4 - 143 - 133


This formula ends here. At 143 EIAS.

Can any1 test?

To use hero editor in d2r you do this:
Make char on d2lod.
Enter hero editor, add all items and changes.
Copy charfile from: C:documents/games/save/Diablo Lod into C:documents/games/save/D2r

Now you can use it offline in d2r.. Remeber to play as PTR^^

I have up to 4 formulas to test on serial fury attacks:


This post was edited by gel87 on Mar 3 2022 11:19am

i can check real fast with the 40% axe

40% axe, max werewolf and 30ias gear 70% sheet speed feels like 3frame - on more testing i think it is 4f, with a 50% ias item, max werewolf, and 30ias from gear it is clearly faster, so its either 4f->3f or 3f->2f (unlikely)

This post was edited by Brandoloni on Mar 3 2022 11:04am