Quote (gel87 @ Nov 8 2021 12:16pm)

Diamonds and shadows are slower than mb...
134 with mb might be a thing i dno.. Still forti offer loads of stats beside the 300% ed.

Quote (reupi @ Nov 8 2021 12:33pm)

Yes forty might have to be sacrificed for higher breakpoints, I realize that. Maybe the route to go is 4 soc armor with ias ed / res then ?

Shadow faith usually you go 65 IAS I believe, but now maybe there are new breakpoints reachable.

Tbf I am bowazon noob, just wondering here what the new breakpoints are for all bow types.

Quote (gel87 @ Nov 7 2021 04:24pm)

They are both baa11hs.
16 - - 256

Frames: {16/(1+(Eias/100))}-1

Eias
[120*ias/(120+ias)]+SIAS-WSM

30ias pb:
120*30/(120+30)+0-(-30) = 54 EIAS
{16/(1+(54/100))}-1 =10 frames

Breakpoints are simple here:
{16/(1+(Eias/100))}-1
Eias - - fpa
0 - - 15
7 - - 14
15 - - 13
24 - - 12
34 - - 11
46 - - 10
60 - - 9 <--- this May be 61.. Used to be 61...
78 - - 8
100 - - 7
129 - - 6
167 - - 5

=(120*(EiasBreal- SIAS + WSM))/(120-(EiasBreak - SIAS +WSM))

Example for the 10 frames breakpoint, u can find rest.
=(120*(46-0+(-30)))/(120-(46-0+(-30)))
= 18,46 aka 19ias needed.

If the 9 frame eias breakpoint is 60, then u need 40 ias. If its 61 then u need 42 ias.

For the 8 frame u need 80ias.

Quote (KTap @ 7 Nov 2021 19:50)

Just did some ghetto testing on bnet with phase blade + berserk on a barb

According to current calculators a 40 ias grief pb + any source of ias gives you max attack speed, or at least that's how I understand it. Even a 30 ias grief + a 15 ias jewel hits 9 frames

I normally run with at least highlords, so I figured I was well beyond the cap. Maybe this is common knowledge and I'm an idiot, but:

40 ias pb + 40 ias from gear = no increase
40 ias pb + 45 ias from gear = yes

37 ias pb + 45 ias from gear = no increase
37 ias pb + 50 ias from gear = yes

30 ias pb + 50 ias from gear = no increase
30 ias pb + 55 ias from gear = yes

So somewhere between 82-85 weapon + gear ias the animation at least is faster, and it appeared to kill things faster, but I didn't do any maths or record and go frame by frame or anything. Is this just the attack frame going from 5 to 4?

Quote (gel87 @ Nov 7 2021 03:39pm)

Ama using bow.

EIAS breaks:
EIAS - - FPA
0 - - 13
8 - - 12
17 - - 11
28 - - 10
40 - - 9
56 - - 8
75 - - 7
100 - - 6
134 - - 5

Quote (Simon @ Nov 8 2021 05:17pm)

confirmed!
just put 15 ias jewel in my arreat to test this
36 ias pb + 40 ias from eq = old max
36 ias pb + 55 ias from eq = new breakpoint

zerkers should always aim for this new breakpoint now

game changer

Quote (reupi @ Nov 8 2021 05:30pm)

this is without fanatism right ?

Would be nice to have the ias needed for breakpoints (including new ones) for all 3 bow speeds (-10,0,+10), without fanatism and with fanatism. Not sure yet how to understand eias.

Normally faith bowazon needs 45% ias with mat bow for last breakpoint but there is surely a next one reachable now.

Quote (gel87 @ Nov 8 2021 06:38pm)

Theese are not ias breakpoints, they are eias breakpoint and they are firm nomather what base of bow or skill ias such as fana u use...

Use the formula i used in post above.

Quote (reupi @ Nov 8 2021 08:02pm)

Diving in formulas rn.

Got this result, so I guess 109% ias for 6 fpa with mat bow and fana 15 (33% sias). Line in bold.

wsm -10 sias 0 eias 0 fpa 13 => ias -9
wsm -10 sias 0 eias 8 fpa 12 => ias -2
wsm -10 sias 0 eias 17 fpa 11 => ias 7
wsm -10 sias 0 eias 28 fpa 10 => ias 21
wsm -10 sias 0 eias 40 fpa 9 => ias 40
wsm -10 sias 0 eias 56 fpa 8 => ias 75
wsm -10 sias 0 eias 75 fpa 7 => ias 142
wsm -10 sias 0 eias 100 fpa 6 => ias 360
wsm -10 sias 0 eias 134 fpa 5 => ias -3720
wsm -10 sias 31 eias 0 fpa 13 => ias -31
wsm -10 sias 31 eias 8 fpa 12 => ias -26
wsm -10 sias 31 eias 17 fpa 11 => ias -20
wsm -10 sias 31 eias 28 fpa 10 => ias -12
wsm -10 sias 31 eias 40 fpa 9 => ias -1
wsm -10 sias 31 eias 56 fpa 8 => ias 17
wsm -10 sias 31 eias 75 fpa 7 => ias 47
wsm -10 sias 31 eias 100 fpa 6 => ias 116
wsm -10 sias 31 eias 134 fpa 5 => ias 413
wsm -10 sias 33 eias 0 fpa 13 => ias -32
wsm -10 sias 33 eias 8 fpa 12 => ias -27
wsm -10 sias 33 eias 17 fpa 11 => ias -21
wsm -10 sias 33 eias 28 fpa 10 => ias -13
wsm -10 sias 33 eias 40 fpa 9 => ias -3
wsm -10 sias 33 eias 56 fpa 8 => ias 15
wsm -10 sias 33 eias 75 fpa 7 => ias 44
wsm -10 sias 33 eias 100 fpa 6 => ias 109
wsm -10 sias 33 eias 134 fpa 5 => ias 377
wsm 0 sias 0 eias 0 fpa 13 => ias 0
wsm 0 sias 0 eias 8 fpa 12 => ias 9
wsm 0 sias 0 eias 17 fpa 11 => ias 20
wsm 0 sias 0 eias 28 fpa 10 => ias 37
wsm 0 sias 0 eias 40 fpa 9 => ias 60
wsm 0 sias 0 eias 56 fpa 8 => ias 105
wsm 0 sias 0 eias 75 fpa 7 => ias 200
wsm 0 sias 0 eias 100 fpa 6 => ias 600
wsm 0 sias 0 eias 134 fpa 5 => ias -1149
wsm 0 sias 31 eias 0 fpa 13 => ias -25
wsm 0 sias 31 eias 8 fpa 12 => ias -19
wsm 0 sias 31 eias 17 fpa 11 => ias -13
wsm 0 sias 31 eias 28 fpa 10 => ias -3
wsm 0 sias 31 eias 40 fpa 9 => ias 10
wsm 0 sias 31 eias 56 fpa 8 => ias 32
wsm 0 sias 31 eias 75 fpa 7 => ias 69
wsm 0 sias 31 eias 100 fpa 6 => ias 162
wsm 0 sias 31 eias 134 fpa 5 => ias 727
wsm 0 sias 33 eias 0 fpa 13 => ias -26
wsm 0 sias 33 eias 8 fpa 12 => ias -21
wsm 0 sias 33 eias 17 fpa 11 => ias -14
wsm 0 sias 33 eias 28 fpa 10 => ias -5
wsm 0 sias 33 eias 40 fpa 9 => ias 7
wsm 0 sias 33 eias 56 fpa 8 => ias 28
wsm 0 sias 33 eias 75 fpa 7 => ias 65
wsm 0 sias 33 eias 100 fpa 6 => ias 152
wsm 0 sias 33 eias 134 fpa 5 => ias 638
wsm 10 sias 0 eias 0 fpa 13 => ias 11
wsm 10 sias 0 eias 8 fpa 12 => ias 21
wsm 10 sias 0 eias 17 fpa 11 => ias 35
wsm 10 sias 0 eias 28 fpa 10 => ias 56
wsm 10 sias 0 eias 40 fpa 9 => ias 86
wsm 10 sias 0 eias 56 fpa 8 => ias 147
wsm 10 sias 0 eias 75 fpa 7 => ias 291
wsm 10 sias 0 eias 100 fpa 6 => ias 1320
wsm 10 sias 0 eias 134 fpa 5 => ias -720
wsm 10 sias 31 eias 0 fpa 13 => ias -18
wsm 10 sias 31 eias 8 fpa 12 => ias -12
wsm 10 sias 31 eias 17 fpa 11 => ias -4
wsm 10 sias 31 eias 28 fpa 10 => ias 7
wsm 10 sias 31 eias 40 fpa 9 => ias 23
wsm 10 sias 31 eias 56 fpa 8 => ias 49
wsm 10 sias 31 eias 75 fpa 7 => ias 98
wsm 10 sias 31 eias 100 fpa 6 => ias 231
wsm 10 sias 31 eias 134 fpa 5 => ias 1937
wsm 10 sias 33 eias 0 fpa 13 => ias -19
wsm 10 sias 33 eias 8 fpa 12 => ias -13
wsm 10 sias 33 eias 17 fpa 11 => ias -6
wsm 10 sias 33 eias 28 fpa 10 => ias 5
wsm 10 sias 33 eias 40 fpa 9 => ias 20
wsm 10 sias 33 eias 56 fpa 8 => ias 46
wsm 10 sias 33 eias 75 fpa 7 => ias 92
wsm 10 sias 33 eias 100 fpa 6 => ias 215
wsm 10 sias 33 eias 134 fpa 5 => ias 1480


Notes :
- Mat bow is wsm -10, shadow / diamond is 0, hydra / gmb are +10
- sias = 0 if normal attack, with fana 12 sias = 31, with fana 15 sias = 33