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Apr 7 2026 07:08am
because PvP is no longer balanced


Lol there are all these stupid GM rules because PvP was never balanced in the first place.

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Apr 7 2026 07:12am
If bots become standardized again like in LOD, we will see complete destruction of the game because PvP is no longer balanced enough to keep the economy somewhat stable.

Only the first week of ladder will have what we all now consider "standard wealth" -- 500 to 1k fg items.


Brother, when the hell has pvp EVER been balanced in this game? Pvp has always been extremely broken and unbalanced, and the only reason it's so good is because of community made rules. Blizzard did not balance this game around pvp at all, especially the warlock and changes made in d2r.. in fact, they made pvp worse in d2r with their changes to wsg and other stuff.

This post was edited by Emiliaaa on Apr 7 2026 07:12am
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Apr 7 2026 07:18am
They never left, they never will leave, they are part the game. The only mild break you will ever get from them is after banwaves which hit a miniscule number of the bot accounts and new content while they adapt the software, which doesn't take long. Bots aren't why you're bad at D2R and bad at JSP.
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Apr 7 2026 07:33am
It was balanced enough for me to spend 13 hours straight in a single pub duel game every week meeting tons of new people and learning how to play better, to become more aggressive or become more passive. I learned a lot from diablo 2 pvp and to say it's not balanced is ridiculous. There was GM and BM, even in public games. But whether you chose to GM or BM, it was always possible to find someone that was truly exciting to fight, even though you just met them.

This is what is dead now.
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Apr 7 2026 08:06am
It was balanced enough for me to spend 13 hours straight in a single pub duel game every week meeting tons of new people and learning how to play better, to become more aggressive or become more passive. I learned a lot from diablo 2 pvp and to say it's not balanced is ridiculous. There was GM and BM, even in public games. But whether you chose to GM or BM, it was always possible to find someone that was truly exciting to fight, even though you just met them.

This is what is dead now.


Vast majority of what you call "gm dueling" was actually just people being polite and not actual gm rules if it was in a public game. From what I've discovered, when people did pub dueling and called it "gm dueling" they just mean people saying go, not nking and not being a dick.. which is not GM. That's just being polite.

Actual gm duels has a giant list of rules you have to follow and is done in private games usually in teams.

Also, pub dueling is boring and garbage to begin with and no, dueling in this game has never been balanced. You can completely invalidate multiple builds and even an entire class by using absorb items. They have mentioned they did not balance this game around pvp and the only reason pvp even works even a tiny bit is because of lots of changes made over the years and still leads to dueling without community made rules to be boring and repetitive against unskilled people. You get to a point where you're basically bullying people who can't even name lock someone.

You experienced pub dueling which is like 1% the fun that fpking and actual team 4s with rule sets can be and is where all the good players duel at. If you had that much fun doing pubs you would've lost your mind doing team 2s and 4s and fpks.

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Vast majority of what you call "gm dueling" was actually just people being polite and not actual gm rules if it was in a public game. From what I've discovered, when people did pub dueling and called it "gm dueling" they just mean people saying go, not nking and not being a dick.. which is not GM. That's just being polite.

Actual gm duels has a giant list of rules you have to follow and is done in private games usually in teams.

Also, pub dueling is boring and garbage to begin with and no, dueling in this game has never been balanced. You can completely invalidate multiple builds and even an entire class by using absorb items. They have mentioned they did not balance this game around pvp and the only reason pvp even works even a tiny bit is because of lots of changes made over the years and still leads to dueling without community made rules to be boring and repetitive against unskilled people. You get to a point where you're basically bullying people who can't even name lock someone.

You experienced pub dueling which is like 1% the fun that fpking and actual team 4s with rule sets can be and is where all the good players duel at. If you had that much fun doing pubs you would've lost your mind doing team 2s and 4s and fpks.


"Being polite"

GM stands for Good Manners.

/e

The balance was that every build had a counter. You can't just win every single duel with one broken strategy.

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"Being polite"

GM stands for Good Manners.

/e

The balance was that every build had a counter. You can't just win every single duel with one broken strategy.




And GM Dueling implies something else entirely. They were "being gm while dueling" but you were not "GM Dueling"... Because gm duels have a huge list of rules.

Sounds like my hunch was right, btw.

Also, tell me the counter I'm supposed to use as a fire sorc when someone throws on rising sun + hotspurs? Actual gm dueling prevents this scenario from occuring. In a public duel game where everyone is "being good mannered" there's nothing stopping them from throwing on multiple sorb items, but hey, at least they said go and didn't nk me and let me bo!

This post was edited by Emiliaaa on Apr 7 2026 08:25am
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Apr 7 2026 08:31am
Is there a Discord for gm duelers? I would like to familiarize myself with the rules and get back into pvp. It's been a long time.
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Apr 7 2026 08:33am
No that was not "bot"s there was a exploit where barbs could hork bind demons over and over and pump out HRs and other loot lol, people kept it hush hush (was known before the ladder started) and was abused like crazy before Cooley released a video on it and Blizzard hotfixed a few days ago....also 8 player Hearld hunting terrorizing every single act is pumping out loot like crazy if you know what your doing and the mechanics. Most people don't know what they are doing in this expansion and just mfing like its LOD.


people are catching on

most sunders are down 10-30% in the last ~10days
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Apr 7 2026 08:36am
Is there a Discord for gm duelers? I would like to familiarize myself with the rules and get back into pvp. It's been a long time.


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zsBVNziQwIFPU3FenSmB3k4xlXo94vfS6z_X7Qmp-Uc/edit?tab=t.0

Discord should be in there as well iirc

This post was edited by Emiliaaa on Apr 7 2026 08:37am
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