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Mar 17 2026 06:40am
Chris Wilson designed PoE specifically around D2. PoE is very inspired by D2 and that was the entire design process.

PoE is objectively better than D2 in every way except for pvp. Better RARES, uniques, endgame, itemization, build diversity, deep mechanics. D2 is amazing, but there's a reason why D2 is smol and PoE is big. Hopefully that changes if blizz decides to push money into D2.


Someone should send this guy a dictionary so he can look up the definition to “objectively”
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Mar 17 2026 07:45am
No, that would be Portal Barb
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Mar 17 2026 09:16am
No, that would be Portal Barb


to an extent I think, it can be annoying resetting the bportal if the bradius gets large enough to lose you XP

ES is better for indoor areas imo just because the positioning matters less. I’m sure a proficient b portaler could at least match the clear speed but sometimes you just wanna turn your brain off.
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Mar 17 2026 10:16am
warlock killing p8 TZ96 herald is the same as a level 93 bowazon clearing act 1 cave zombies


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The dmg is absolutely overpowered but the tankiness is completely unnecessary for having such high dmg. The balance is completely out of whack because the devs just ignore pvp. In LoD they balanced a lot of things based on how it performed in pvp and that made the pvm balanced by default.

I dont wanna hear any propaganda about oh not that many ppl play pvp. Pvp is one of the key reasons this game never completely died. Pvp is the true end game, and a gigantic factor in the economy. Even if you're pvming you're looking for pvp items for the most part. The experience of pvp matters no matter how many people play it consistently.

Sorry for going off on a tangent I just feel this needs to be repeated till the right person hears it. Balance the warlock around pvp and it will still be strong without breaking the game like it currently is.


This is simply not true though.

Pvp is arguably critical for the JSP economy (tbh I disagree), but it does not matter at all in terms of revenue for blizzard. Even if you believe bots are making lots of money, you simply need to log into the game or talk to people to realize that 99.999% of players just play to baal and then quit for other games. It's rare for people to get addicted and spend their life online on d2

The next thing you have to realize is that people spend money on PVM. There are way more pvm whales and wallet warriors than pvp. Not even close, like thousands of times more pvm spending than pvp spending. Look at how much money gacha games are making, the market is way bigger for pvm
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Mar 17 2026 11:28am
So is warlock the new king? Does he outclass a Nova sorc for example? I didnt play nova sorc yet. who handles Terrorized acts and Heralds better? Has to be warlock right.


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Mar 17 2026 12:36pm
its clear the portal barb is SS tier and lock is S tier
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Mar 17 2026 12:42pm
Warlock is completely busted - the damage, the bind demon tank with aura/cursed. I would rank it higher than mosaic, with mosaic they need to maintain that buff gimmick.

Once warlock gets its setup - bind demon with cursed, merc with pride - it can just do its busted damage without any resource management.


Demon shouldn’t transfer between games. Blood Oath is ridiculously powerful. Both of those turn a glass cannon into a tank. Fix those, make AR affect ES and it’d cool it down while still being S tier.

This post was edited by Caldera on Mar 17 2026 12:42pm
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Mar 17 2026 12:45pm
Lemme put it like this brah. You can wear Najs staff with a spirit shield and random crap other gear and be a teleporting one shotting p8 chaos day 1 easily. With a permanent curse demon that will never die
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Mar 17 2026 03:12pm
This is simply not true though.

Pvp is arguably critical for the JSP economy (tbh I disagree), but it does not matter at all in terms of revenue for blizzard. Even if you believe bots are making lots of money, you simply need to log into the game or talk to people to realize that 99.999% of players just play to baal and then quit for other games. It's rare for people to get addicted and spend their life online on d2

The next thing you have to realize is that people spend money on PVM. There are way more pvm whales and wallet warriors than pvp. Not even close, like thousands of times more pvm spending than pvp spending. Look at how much money gacha games are making, the market is way bigger for pvm


ppl play the game for the loot

pvm gear isn't worth much so i'd probably need an example of a whale that isn't hoarding pvp gear to understand what you're talking about

my point isn't that whales are playing pvp. they are trying to accumulate rare and high roll items that are mainly used in pvp

that actually was a side point, my main point was that when the pvp is balanced the pvm will be inherently balanced, trying to do it the other way around you get phrases like "feels strong" like it's completely unempirical. the old devs were smart they attempted to balance pvp for a reason.

This post was edited by Aurasmiter on Mar 17 2026 03:18pm
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