Cold sorc still does amazing even endgame vs other classes. The requirement for other classes need way too many HRs. With Sunder in D2r the numbers still put cold sorc in top tier.

Then again, except for a pure Fireball Sorc or Nova Sorc, all other builds waste lots of potential by not maxing all synergies to their main skill (or often Mastery on Cold Sorc builds).

Btw, here some math:

Goes without saying that for anything but Cold Immunes, Fathom will win (+ give you some QoL with regards to item choice, breakpoints etc.).

Now vs. immunes, it depends on the rest of your build and the sacrifices you make for fitting Doom into a 105 FCR setup. In general, assuming RBFs for all open sockets + Infy Merc, you would need your Fathom setup to deal 60 - 65% higher Blizzard screen damage in order to still outclass Doom. In any other scenario, the -ECR from Doom will beat Fathom vs. immunes.

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It’s still a ‘good’ build because it’s a sorc and they are overpowered, but it can’t compete with any of the actual best builds in the game anymore

how so? it can't compete with other builds because it clears p8 chaos in 2 seconds less than a fully decked out light sorc?

at least try to make some sense

Even pre nerf cold sorc was not coming close to light clear speed, now damage is heavily reduced vs cold immunes and you think it’s comparable? Man you post a lot of stupid shit

Even in a world where blizzard 1 shot every single enemy in the game it wouldn’t have the fastest clear speed because of the casting delay and pseudo randomness of the skill

Blizzard is still good endgame because Orb is a filler and all sorcs have static field built-in.

This post was edited by Tarisus on Apr 3 2023 02:11pm

Based on math you posted:
Versus sundered enemies wearing Doom is 27% more effective in damage then Fantom @43CM.
Versus nonsundered, Fantom is 31% more effective in damage then Doom @43+2CM.

Practical point of view:
1. If location have more then half of monsters immune to cold then it's better to wear Doom while clearing that location. In other situations Fantom wins.
2. QoL - fantom totally outclasses Doom.
3. If there's too much item swtich required to maintain fair resi and fcr then there's no point to keep switching doom-fantom.
4. If you play p1 and your base damage kills nearly everything but you struggle with immunities then playing with doom may be better option.

How did this topic get necrod

And did op actually finish making the doom build and test in chaos?

I know it's not easy for you to constantly have your single digit brain cell takes ridiculed by me and others, so kiddy-rage all you want. it's still inarguable that blizz still does p8 chaos in a comparable time to light, nova, java and hammers

you're making it out as if blizz sorcs are in the gutter, when in actuality they're not slowed down much at all by the cm nerfs. they're not outclassed by other builds at all, especially considering how cold sorcs are still the most budget friendly builds in the game