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Aug 17 2021 09:59pm
Quote (yostraydog @ Aug 17 2021 10:57pm)
Not sure what type of counter to the argument this is....?

...But if you insist

Brock was like a 7/10 dueler, and he still beat you... Did you happen to maybe kill his necro that had 25FR on an assassin that did 8.5k fb (took maybe 5 fbs) once or twice? Yeah , but he won every duel vs you.

your anecdotal interactions are not what the general consensus is .


the dog lies, what a surprise.

i beat brock, and not a chance you forgot about it either.

so I say it again. gg fool.
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Quote (yostraydog @ Aug 17 2021 11:57pm)
Not sure what type of counter to the argument this is....?

...But if you insist

Brock was like a 7/10 dueler, and he still beat you... Did you happen to maybe kill his necro that had 25FR on an assassin that did 8.5k fb (took maybe 5 fbs) once or twice? Yeah , but he won every duel vs you.

your anecdotal interactions are not what the general consensus is .


Yeah I mean I'm not sure what type of counter this was. I beat brock in every matchup we played on d2 ANNI pk. The fact that you were able to beat someone doesn't add to the discourse in any way.
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Quote (yostraydog @ Aug 18 2021 05:51am)
Very dumb argument, the absolute worst fpker today who dies on go 9/10 rounds would literally 50-0 the best dueler of "that time" just by the mechanical knowledge of the game. Metas advance and grow, and people who reference times when the best player wasnt even on par with the absolute worst modern player are part of the problem of the evolution of competitive gaming.

Nobody, on ANY game, from early ages of their games, are even comparable to the lowest "high level" gamers today. If wsg is removed, you will have the best 2-3 players literally playing a 174 sin who will 5-0 ANYBODY on ANY character.

Referencing "a time before wsg" also references a time when even the "best" assassins didn't understand the mechanical frames of their character, how their skills worked, how THE ENEMY'S frames worked, or even knew how to namelock an enemy within 1.0 of being on their screen yet alone comprehend FHR delays in conjunction to their trap laying speed/trap cast delays.


Stop that argument PLEASE lol.


Why best player from that time are still best nowadays?
People will adapt and climb back if they want to.
Sry to dissapoint you but the game didnt change that much.
Good for you if you did discover fhr trap laying speed 5 years ago mate.
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Aug 17 2021 10:00pm
Wait really wsg doesn't work? Hahahah
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Aug 17 2021 10:03pm
Quote (loftyEs @ Aug 17 2021 10:59pm)
Yeah I mean I'm not sure what type of counter this was. I beat brock in every matchup we played on d2 ANNI pk. The fact that you were able to beat someone doesn't add to the discourse in any way.


well, at least I am not the only one who didn't bother reading austin's whole post

let me make it easy to digest. his argument falls flat on its face, because the entire premise is that even the worst dueler of today can 50-0 the best dueler of 1.10 era. I don't even need to bother reading or responding to anything else posted after that, because the entire premise is factually incorrect. If a random like me can beat brock in a set, 15 years after I quit with zero in game experience in between, I fail to see how the best players of my time would be 50-0'd by the worst of yours. Logic shouldn't be this difficult to follow. Hopefully I won't need to explain it a second time. Even once is more than enough.

This post was edited by Gilgameshed on Aug 17 2021 10:04pm
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Quote (Gilgameshed @ Aug 18 2021 12:03am)
well, at least I am not the only one who didn't bother reading austin's whole post

let me make it easy to digest. his argument falls flat on its face, because the entire premise is that even the worst dueler of today can 50-0 the best dueler of 1.10 era. I don't even need to bother reading or responding to anything else posted after that, because the entire premise is factually incorrect. If a random like me can beat brock in a set, 15 years after quitting with zero in game experience in between, I fail to see how the best players of my time would be 50-0'd by the worst of yours. Logic shouldn't be this difficult to follow. Hopefully I won't need to explain it a second time. Even once is more than enough.


But you were using wsg, xD
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Quote (loftyEs @ Aug 17 2021 11:03pm)
But you were using wsg, xD


no, I was using a ghost, he was using a block necro. I didn't know what wsg was at that time. It was when I hosted a private realm for a short period, diablo.pk
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Aug 17 2021 10:05pm
I hope it never works
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Aug 17 2021 10:06pm
Quote (yostraydog @ Aug 17 2021 11:51pm)
Very dumb argument, the absolute worst fpker today who dies on go 9/10 rounds would literally 50-0 the best dueler of "that time" just by the mechanical knowledge of the game. Metas advance and grow, and people who reference times when the best player wasnt even on par with the absolute worst modern player are part of the problem of the evolution of competitive gaming.

Nobody, on ANY game, from early ages of their games, are even comparable to the lowest "high level" gamers today. If wsg is removed, you will have the best 2-3 players literally playing a 174 sin who will 5-0 ANYBODY on ANY character.

Referencing "a time before wsg" also references a time when even the "best" assassins didn't understand the mechanical frames of their character, how their skills worked, how THE ENEMY'S frames worked, or even knew how to namelock an enemy within 1.0 of being on their screen yet alone comprehend FHR delays in conjunction to their trap laying speed/trap cast delays.


Stop that argument PLEASE lol.


I was going to point out this same things but then you did it for me.
The effect you describe is real. I've noticed it over the years in many games.
Now that streaming/youtubing is a common thing, you can go back and watch pro players during year 1 or 2 of a game,
and then you realize they were actually shit compared to normal players in like year 8 of a game.
100% true what you described here. Things are not going to pan out well if WSG is removed.

I largely agree with LoftyEs in the idea that:
All other things set aside, at the end of the day, the game's dynamic is just better with WSG than it is without out.

This post was edited by TSBoyer on Aug 17 2021 10:12pm
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Two types of people.

1) Wsg lovers: WSG doesn't work, D2R will suck.

2) Wtf is wsg: Lagg...

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