Very interesting … well despite this the only time my TZ P8 A5 Urdar ever even takes damage is against Ubers … so blood oath working properly or not, he’s still a chonky tanky boii.

In pvp, bound demons would be BM for obvious reasons, so no need to worry about that part.

Even with no blood oath, even a normal mob, you're talking 135k hp and 91% dr 55% resists and 1.82% regen. Without amp its healing 27000 physical ehp per second in a game where monsters deal 100 damage every 2 seconds

instead of binding a tz cursed trash mob and it having low hp
Instead of binding the extremely rare correct aura and cursed tz champ/unique because they’re so hard to find

Bind any cursed tz unique as you come across them for a shot at your preferred aura, and keep upgrading as you go! Pokémon style. With a normal amount of plus skills, you should be hitting soft 20 bind demon with most builds (can also keep a 3ammy/3circlet, hoto or spirit in the stash)

Hidden benefit, you can get a monster with like 8 mods lol

for example: and since I find amp is just as reliable without holy aura, this is my new pikachu:

This post was edited by FoldersUnite on Mar 24 2026 07:44am

Bear in mind whether we're talking 25k, 200k or 2m hp we're talking about basically unkillable demons in normal play in all cases
A lancer with 32.7k hp and 49% dr and 398 hp/s regen is basically unkillable for normal pvm in all but the most contrived scenarios, need super high dps mobs and amp and inattentive player. An urdar with 135k hp / 91% dr / 2500 hp/s regen cannot be killed by anything in pvm, its just immortal in all cases. If blood oath actually worked and we reached those 2m+ numbers we've have to start worrying about integer overflow glitches and whether d2 code handles the math right.

Going with a P1 difficulty monster is where it starts getting really dubious survivability, without that blood oath hp working. A demon with 7500 hp is still probably tankier than your player char, but it can die. But as long as we're talking P8 monsters, nothing is really going to die

Can u explain about Pain Worm being platinum sss, what u consider sss in this?

How much difference does tz make on a black lancer vs p8? I picked up a p8 tz lancer just after the tz expired, but she is cold/light immune, cursed, and has conviction, which since I hybrid blood boil that seems pretty legit. I know her conviction will be one lower, but that doesn't seem killer. I want to replace her with a p8 tz fanat lancer, but that's obviously tricky.

TZ 96 vs base 81-85 areas in act 5 is about ~13-17% more damage/ar, 20-30% more life. But more importantly, the chance to hit formula means a level 81-81 monster has a huge penalty against level 96-99 monsters in TZ96 games, on top of losing some AR
she'll miss about 5-10% more attacks overall just from the level difference (multiply chance to hit by 0.90 to 0.96 depending on relative level), then AR a bit lower
And that carries over even if you have an overwhelming AR advantage / reduce monster defense with conviction. So if you've got a level 81 spearwoman with 10000 attack and conviction bringing a level 99 target to 100 defense, its still only 89% chance to hit
The base damage barely matters though- the difference between (100+1618) and (113+1618).

also should reduce aura level depending on which

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 31 2026 04:06pm

Thank you for the info! I managed to find a cursed magic resistant gal down by the river in a full tz game shortly after that, but she sadly rolled HF. The hunt continues, but at least she will hit more in the meantime!

Well that was a pain, but this last WSK TZ I found an already fanat/cursed Lancer in WSK1 in a full game on my 98 Warlock. I had a converted regular Vile Lancer from a TZ96 P8 cursed game, so I was hoping not to gamble on the aura. I'd love if she had magic resist or stone skin, but it is such a nightmare finding one that, whatever, I am just glad the hunt is done. Plus if Amazon Basin is correct they have a significantly higher hp pool than the other act 5 guest lancers. I am curious if that is accurate or not, as Arreat Summit has different stats, but in any case I think I am set for now barring a horrific death.

I need to finish reading this thread though and see if anyone has tested Death Mark thoroughly. How exactly does it interact with the damage of the bind? That's my major outstanding question, but even if it is modified by the % damage stat, I don't know that it'd outweigh the damage Blood Boil gives, especially since Blood Oath is already pretty handy for the DR. Blood Boil gives nice AoE especially when my defilers are being derpy.

This post was edited by Beoron on Apr 1 2026 04:53am