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Nov 7 2021 03:32pm
Quote (gel87 @ Nov 8 2021 03:24am)
They are both baa11hs.
16 - - 256

Frames: {16/(1+(Eias/100))}-1

Eias
[120*ias/(120+ias)]+SIAS-WSM

30ias pb:
120*30/(120+30)+0-(-30) = 54 EIAS
{16/(1+(54/100))}-1 =10 frames

Breakpoints are simple here:
{16/(1+(Eias/100))}-1
Eias - - fpa
0 - - 15
7 - - 14
15 - - 13
24 - - 12
34 - - 11
46 - - 10
60 - - 9 <--- this May be 61.. Used to be 61...
78 - - 8
100 - - 7
129 - - 6
167 - - 5

=(120*(EiasBreal- SIAS + WSM))/(120-(EiasBreak - SIAS +WSM))

Example for the 10 frames breakpoint, u can find rest.
=(120*(46-0+(-30)))/(120-(46-0+(-30)))
= 18,46 aka 19ias needed.

If the 9 frame eias breakpoint is 60, then u need 40 ias. If its 61 then u need 42 ias.

For the 8 frame u need 80ias.


what about frenzy and double swing
is it possible to reach 4 frame even 3 frame frenzy?
tyvm, you're doing gods work
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Nov 8 2021 03:37am
Quote (gel87 @ Nov 7 2021 03:39pm)
Ama using bow.

EIAS breaks:
EIAS - - FPA
0 - - 13
8 - - 12
17 - - 11
28 - - 10
40 - - 9
56 - - 8
75 - - 7
100 - - 6
134 - - 5



This could change quite a lot the bowazon builds then. Anyone tested it already ?
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Nov 8 2021 04:14am
Quote (reupi @ Nov 8 2021 10:37am)
This could change quite a lot the bowazon builds then. Anyone tested it already ?


Not really.. A Faith mb with 95 gear ias is 96 eias. Breakpoint is 100...
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Nov 8 2021 04:51am
Quote (gel87 @ Nov 8 2021 11:14am)
Not really.. A Faith mb with 95 gear ias is 96 eias. Breakpoint is 100...


That's for mb but what about diamond / shadow bows ? Or reaching 134 with mb ?

Edit: or windforce builds

This post was edited by reupi on Nov 8 2021 04:55am
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Nov 8 2021 05:16am
Quote (reupi @ Nov 8 2021 11:51am)
That's for mb but what about diamond / shadow bows ? Or reaching 134 with mb ?

Edit: or windforce builds


Diamonds and shadows are slower than mb...
134 with mb might be a thing i dno.. Still forti offer loads of stats beside the 300% ed.
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Nov 8 2021 05:33am
Quote (gel87 @ Nov 8 2021 12:16pm)
Diamonds and shadows are slower than mb...
134 with mb might be a thing i dno.. Still forti offer loads of stats beside the 300% ed.


Yes forty might have to be sacrificed for higher breakpoints, I realize that. Maybe the route to go is 4 soc armor with ias ed / res then ?

Shadow faith usually you go 65 IAS I believe, but now maybe there are new breakpoints reachable.

Tbf I am bowazon noob, just wondering here what the new breakpoints are for all bow types.
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Quote (reupi @ Nov 8 2021 12:33pm)
Yes forty might have to be sacrificed for higher breakpoints, I realize that. Maybe the route to go is 4 soc armor with ias ed / res then ?

Shadow faith usually you go 65 IAS I believe, but now maybe there are new breakpoints reachable.

Tbf I am bowazon noob, just wondering here what the new breakpoints are for all bow types.


Well faith mb is 42ias. It needs ias in all slots including armor to reach next breakpoint.

The EIAS breakpoints are the same for every bow type. Thats why we use EIAS breakpoints for general instead of ias breakpoints.

Once u decide a base, have a fana level, then u can see how much ias u need on top to reach the different eias breakpoints.
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Nov 8 2021 07:39am
Quote (gel87 @ Nov 7 2021 04:24pm)
They are both baa11hs.
16 - - 256

Frames: {16/(1+(Eias/100))}-1

Eias
[120*ias/(120+ias)]+SIAS-WSM

30ias pb:
120*30/(120+30)+0-(-30) = 54 EIAS
{16/(1+(54/100))}-1 =10 frames

Breakpoints are simple here:
{16/(1+(Eias/100))}-1
Eias - - fpa
0 - - 15
7 - - 14
15 - - 13
24 - - 12
34 - - 11
46 - - 10
60 - - 9 <--- this May be 61.. Used to be 61...
78 - - 8
100 - - 7
129 - - 6
167 - - 5

=(120*(EiasBreal- SIAS + WSM))/(120-(EiasBreak - SIAS +WSM))

Example for the 10 frames breakpoint, u can find rest.
=(120*(46-0+(-30)))/(120-(46-0+(-30)))
= 18,46 aka 19ias needed.

If the 9 frame eias breakpoint is 60, then u need 40 ias. If its 61 then u need 42 ias.

For the 8 frame u need 80ias.


3 quick questions gel
a. 2 swords behave the same as claws? iirc yeah
b. both ias of weapon work as gear ias right?
c. wsm worked for barb in d2? iirc yeah

just to be sure :P ty
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Nov 8 2021 10:17am
Quote (KTap @ 7 Nov 2021 19:50)
Just did some ghetto testing on bnet with phase blade + berserk on a barb

According to current calculators a 40 ias grief pb + any source of ias gives you max attack speed, or at least that's how I understand it. Even a 30 ias grief + a 15 ias jewel hits 9 frames

I normally run with at least highlords, so I figured I was well beyond the cap. Maybe this is common knowledge and I'm an idiot, but:

40 ias pb + 40 ias from gear = no increase
40 ias pb + 45 ias from gear = yes

37 ias pb + 45 ias from gear = no increase
37 ias pb + 50 ias from gear = yes

30 ias pb + 50 ias from gear = no increase
30 ias pb + 55 ias from gear = yes

So somewhere between 82-85 weapon + gear ias the animation at least is faster, and it appeared to kill things faster, but I didn't do any maths or record and go frame by frame or anything. Is this just the attack frame going from 5 to 4?


confirmed!
just put 15 ias jewel in my arreat to test this
36 ias pb + 40 ias from eq = old max
36 ias pb + 55 ias from eq = new breakpoint

zerkers should always aim for this new breakpoint now

game changer

This post was edited by Simon on Nov 8 2021 10:21am
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Nov 8 2021 10:30am
Quote (gel87 @ Nov 7 2021 03:39pm)
Ama using bow.

EIAS breaks:
EIAS - - FPA
0 - - 13
8 - - 12
17 - - 11
28 - - 10
40 - - 9
56 - - 8
75 - - 7
100 - - 6
134 - - 5


this is without fanatism right ?

Would be nice to have the ias needed for breakpoints (including new ones) for all 3 bow speeds (-10,0,+10), without fanatism and with fanatism. Not sure yet how to understand eias.

Normally faith bowazon needs 45% ias with mat bow for last breakpoint but there is surely a next one reachable now.

This post was edited by reupi on Nov 8 2021 10:33am
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