Quote (Ziecheik @ Aug 17 2021 10:04pm)

you guys know there was a time before the masses knew how to wsg.
there were a lot more duelers back then. (edit: and I know people are overall better now, but still far less numbers)
there was fpk back then.
people played trappers, no one bitched about it, they just tried to avoid getting trapped, and if they got trapped, it was an aspect of the game and people accepted it.

but in the last 15 years, everyone got used to wsg.
so now try to take it away and everyone complains.

people will adapt to whatever changes.

honestly I think a big part of this is no one practices escaping without wsg for the last 15 years, so people are worse at it if they are forced to not have wsg. because they are so used to this mechanic now.
just my 2c

I think it'll be fine either way.
if it's fixed or not.
d2 was d2 before wsg, it will be d2 post wsg if its taken away.


good that wsg desync is gone tho.
fuck that shit that prevents you from clicking on someone with anything melee because they are wsg desyncing around.
my 2c

Quote (Fizzle @ Aug 17 2021 10:08pm)

Pretty much agree with this. WSG is a glitch. Don't use a glitch as a crutch. I hate when games just accept glitches as unintended mechanics and keep them. So personally I'm glad they're addressing it and getting rid of advanced glitchy "tech" in pvp tbh. I for one will be doing majority of my pvp on console, I don't care if I can't be as technical on console/controller. It just means I don't have to deal with far casting garbage and the like. Also I doubt stunlock will be nearly as prevalent on console in general so I'm optimistic.

Quote (Ziecheik @ Aug 17 2021 10:10pm)

hey question, did you by any chance go by teh_fizzle back in 2008? I remember a druid player by that name, maybe a different fizzle.

Quote (loftyEs @ Aug 17 2021 10:09pm)

Yeah, I mean we're going to play regardless and adapt. The point we're trying to convey, is the game is more fun and competitive. I can l8z around the moor c/ting and never being on an assassins screen. But this ruins TPK / FPK and any 1v1 matchup with a sin. The fact of the matter is, at the higher levels of play, sins today's especially fpk players are much better and will be inescapable if you get MB'd.

Quote (Fizzle @ Aug 17 2021 10:13pm)

It's possible, a lot of my chars had Fizzle in the name but I don't remember them all. using "teh" in place of "the" sounds like something I would have done as a cringy 19 year old though. :lol:

Quote (M0NRCH @ Aug 17 2021 10:06pm)

:hail:
Ziecheik! I recognize the legendary kicksin player when I see one.

Back in 1.10 read all the guides for example Xombies pvp necro guide.
Every tactic vs trapsin is "stay away from traps, stay far away."
Very defensive and outdated as of late.

Btw: I built on your kicksin guide many times in 1.10 and 1.11, was one of my most played characters back then. Most fun caster killer imo.

Quote (Ziecheik @ Aug 17 2021 10:15pm)

Im not sure if I agree with it ruining things.

fpk and 1v1 vs sins existed before people knew to wsg and people were fine with it.

people keep saying trap players are better now and its harder to escape their locks than players back then.. but idk how much I agree with that personally.
besides learning to c/t (which may or may not be as relevant in d2r with 16:9 screenspace) and learing to use wsg, how exactly did they get better?

people had beastly namelocks back then.
I think people are forgetting the gods of old with how well they played given that they didn't use c/t and wsg.

Quote (AnvilofKrom @ Aug 17 2021 10:07pm)

wait, is desync hammerdin gone?

Quote (Ziecheik @ Aug 17 2021 10:15pm)

Im not sure if I agree with it ruining things.

fpk and 1v1 vs sins existed before people knew to wsg and people were fine with it.

people keep saying trap players are better now and its harder to escape their locks than players back then.. but idk how much I agree with that personally.
besides learning to c/t (which may or may not be as relevant in d2r with 16:9 screenspace) and learing to use wsg, how exactly did they get better?

people had beastly namelocks back then.
I think people are forgetting the gods of old with how well they played given that they didn't use c/t and wsg.

Quote (M0NRCH @ Aug 17 2021 09:54pm)

Imagine thinking you're good for playing in a league that bans wsg.
That makes you worse and less competitive.

Wsg is a mechanic that people on west/east took time to practice.