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Dec 15 2021 02:00pm
Quote (YZ250 @ Dec 15 2021 11:55am)
They are definitely going to add cast delay to teleport...Game over..


I think they more meant getting rid of or lowering some cast delays, like meteor or whatever

I just hope they nerf Hammerdins somehow
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Dec 15 2021 02:01pm
Quote (VickIsSick07 @ Dec 15 2021 11:56am)
people pvp on ladder because it's much cheaper to acquire godly items early. You can get a gg 2/30/20 circlet for a single ber becaause people are chasing enigma.


for jsp users though a single ber early ladder costs a ton more than later, I wonder how much you actually come out ahead in terms of fg
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Dec 15 2021 02:02pm
rip
they finnaly did it it wasnt long
without balanced pvp the game will stand 1 year max
hf guys ^^^^^^^^^^
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Quote (BlueMoonXD @ Dec 15 2021 03:01pm)
for jsp users though a single ber early ladder costs a ton more than later, I wonder how much you actually come out ahead in terms of fg


i paid 4500 to get a ber rune and traded it for a 2/20 sorc circlet that had 23 str 38 fire res and 2os pretty early in ladder.

I flipped that circlet for 15k.

Its easy to get rich from ladder resets so thats why they play.
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Quote (Monze @ Dec 15 2021 01:59pm)
Perhaps but those people can just purchase gear on ladder and save it for their NL chars. I know many people does this when ladders are being announced because tons of players are having fire sales and dumping all prices.


every ladder, PVP items sell for more and at a much higher velocity than simple PVM items.

People are PVMing to find the items to sell to the PVPers, as those are the items that have value, and are typically not very good for PVM.

If you take away that market, you are removing the vast majority of the market, and thus, take away the majority of incentive to MF.

The main thing that drives PVM, is the psychological boost of finding a "GG Rare item" to sell for high amounts to profit. Without that psycholgoical incentive, the game dies quickly, because if there is no incentive, there is no reason to kill Baal 10000000000000000000 times.



The success and longetivty of D2 is the economy surrounding PVP, and the terrible drop rates to find those PVP items.
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Quote (Sidgy @ 15 Dec 2021 21:02)
rip
they finnaly did it it wasnt long
without balanced pvp the game will stand 1 year max
hf guys ^^^^^^^^^^


Perhaps this will actually balance pvp.

Legacy d2 wasnt exactly balanced PVP you just got used to the game being that way and adapted around it.
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Dec 15 2021 02:03pm
Buying ber 50-100fg. Pm me. Can pay 110 max. 😂😂
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Quote (Sidgy @ Dec 15 2021 03:02pm)
rip
they finnaly did it it wasnt long
without balanced pvp the game will stand 1 year max
hf guys ^^^^^^^^^^


How exactly is pvp balanced now???



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GM rules

GM - are certain dueling rules, most popular and fair ones.

These GM rules are made and adjusted specifically for Asgard PvP Realm. If the game has "gm" prefix (e.g."gm duels"), then don't be a jerk and obey them - otherwise, you might be kicked out of the game by one of the moderators. Continuous disobeying might lead to a temp/perm ban.



General rules

The duel starts once everybody said "go" or "g"
Quitting the game results in a loss
In TvT one person is chosen by each team to say "g" for the whole team
Going to another location means a loss (exception - if you accidentally tp'd in town, then immediately came back)
No disappearing off your opponent's map for more than 10 seconds (=defwhoring?)
No overly defensive play (100% teleport off screen as soon as you are on opponent's mini-map)
No avoiding contact with an opponent intentionally with no plans of attacking
Refusal to show gear/inventory results a loss
No naked killing
No mercenaries
No use of Healing, Rejuvenation, Thawing and Antidote potions during and before a duel
No excessive use of houses, walls
No stupid precasts/prebuffs like Cyclone Armor, Fade, Town BO
No casting of traps/missiles before both players say "g"
Oak from Nature/Wisp/HotO is fine, Fade precast from claws is fine, ES from Memory is fine
Enchant from Demon Limb is allowed if it stays in inventory (cube) during the duel
No other charges from items (only ones listed above)
Clay Golem is always allowed (Traps Assassins should use WSM bug to overstack Clay Golems slow)
No Holy Freeze against IAS-based characters and Traps assassin
Maximum Damage Reduced by and Magic Damage Reduced by - 30
Replenish Life is capped at 40
No use of Ethereal items (exception - item is Indestructible, has Zod rune or Self-repair/Replenish quantity)
No Teleport when using Widowmaker
Respecing during the duel is not allowed
No more than 10% slow from items
Maximum one 451 poison damage charm
Ties are null duels


Resistances



If using more than one item granting percent or integer absorb, maximum resistance to any element is 75


Cold resistance:

max 400 total cold resistance + 0% absrob
max 320 total cold resistance + 20% absorb
max 250 total cold resistance + 40% cold absorb



If total cold resistance is more than 300, max cold resistance is 75


Lightning resistance:

80 maximum + 20% absorb
85 maximum + 0% absorb


Fire resistance:

80 maximum + 15% absorb
85 maximum + 0% absorb


Poison Resistance:

90 maximum + 0% PLR
85 maximum + 25% PLR
80 maximum + 75% PLR


Characters


Amazon:

Slow Missiles is banned


Assassin:

Dual-claw assassins: maximum resistance to any element is 80
W/S assassins: maximum resistance to any element is 85
Dual-claw assassins: only one item granting absorb is allowed


Necromancer:



Bone Wall is banned
Bone prison is allowed vs characters that have Teleport (only in 1v1)
Iron Maiden and Life Tap are banned
Amplify is allowed in TvT, Lower Resist is allowed only in 1v1, others are banned
Fire resistance: 85 maximum + 15% sorb or 90 maximum + 0% sorb


Paladin:

No use of Mediation if Prayer has more than one base point
Holy bolt is banned


Sorceress:

Can't use mana potions if using ES
Can't have %absorb or + max resistance if using ES
Replenish Life is capped at 27 if using ES
%DR is capped at 31 if using ES
Memory runeword can be used as a prebuff
Cold Sorceresses may use Doom runeword


Items



Dracul's Grasp (only for Smiter, but not in SvS)
Exile runeword (only for Smiter, but not in SvS)
Last Wish (really?^)
Doom runeword (Only Cold Sorceress)


Skills



Life Tap
Iron Maiden
Bone Wall
Slow Missiles


LLD rules (30 lvl)



Duels take place on Nightmare difficulty



The duel starts once everybody said "go" or "g"
Quoting the game results in a loss
Going to another location means a loss (exception - if you accidentally tp'd in town, then immediately came back)
No disappearing off your opponent's map for more than 10 seconds (=defwhoring?)
Refusal to show gear/inventory results a loss
No naked killing
No mercenaries
No use of Healing, Rejuvenation, Thawing and Antidote potions during and before a duel
No excessive use of houses, walls
No precasts
Replenish Life is capped at 20
No use of Ethereal items (exception - item is Indestructible or Self-repair/Replenish quantity)
Respecing during the duel is not allowed


Resistances


Cold resistance:

max 165 total cold resistance


Lightning resistance:

75 maximum


Fire resistance:

75 maximum
Necromancer, Barbarian, Druid: 85 maximum


Poison Resistance:

75 maximum + 50% PLR

Skills



Bone wall (no spam, maximum one at one game screen)
Bone prison


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You have to make up a list of 200 rules NOW to balance pvp. How is pvp balanced?
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Dec 15 2021 02:05pm
What if they do class balances every ladder similar to D3. Your 50k fg trapper you just bought? Useless for the next 4 months. Better luck next ladder.
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Dec 15 2021 02:06pm
Quote (Monze @ Dec 15 2021 09:03pm)
Perhaps this will actually balance pvp.

Legacy d2 wasnt exactly balanced PVP you just got used to the game being that way and adapted around it.


lmao
d2 was well balanced
did you ever played pvp to say such non sense comment ? i guess no
and pvp isnt pub games filled with handicaped players that cannot manage to do a simple namelock its all about tvt fpk exploting bugs being good at positioning ur mouse quick to keep ur locks predicting hits
guys like you got 0 knowledge
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