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Apr 26 2022 05:24am
Quote (Lentil @ Apr 26 2022 01:16pm)
How much atk speed do you need to hit 3 fpa with botd tm?


Standard gear with 40ias from LoH and HL gives you 5/4/4/4/6 (23).
To reach 5/3/3/3/6 (20) you need 70 gear ias and 42 werewolf (precast from stash) or 80ias and 33lvl werewolf.
Basically you have to wear 2os tiara/pelt + Nos or 3os tiara.
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Apr 26 2022 05:34am
One thing Ive forget to mention about botd - since you have ll/ml on the weapon, you can play with second ring (second raven, angelic, etc).

Imho eth Tomb Reaver is still top tier choice.
With LoH+HL and ias jawel in Gface/Jalal or Nosferatu you will hit 4/3/3/3/6 (19). High res bonus open for you more options with helmet (gface) and socket inside.

Btw before someone will go mad - I don't underestimate the Grief setup. I believe it's one of the best, but saying it's the best in slot is probably not a true.
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Apr 26 2022 05:53am
Quote (gratek @ Apr 26 2022 12:35pm)
TM has almost 2 times bigger avg dmg than Grief. TM will be still ahead even if you wear Phoenix. Don't forget about bigger range and you can still hit 3 frames (but with slower edge attacks).


True. But you won't have the nice 1.5k dps firestorm as hybrid.
I really want to try that now with the non interrupt mechanics.

What's the difference in IAS needed for Grief PB and BA?
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Apr 26 2022 06:12am
I wouldn't be so quick to dunk on the eth reaper wolf. It has quite a few positives imo versus eth tomb or grief set ups.

I.e way more consistent decrep procs vs a toll merc, have the option of using a pride might merc without losing a decrep source, 100 % ds with g face, eth reapers toll is much easier to obtain vs a 3os eth tomb etc.

Obviously grief and tomb are good set ups though. Try a p8 chaos run on sp to compare between these set ups and eth reapers. If you're testing p1 it's prob hard to tell a difference between them.

I am aware of how the ias ss frames worked in original lod btw. To be fair though, during ptr I didnt have a full grasp on the new ias changes.

To add to the convo, apparently death in an eth decapitator is a really powerful budget option as well that can give you 100 ds and 100 cb.
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Apr 26 2022 06:20am
Lol so rip tomb reaver? They were so expensive >>
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Apr 26 2022 06:21am
Quote (gratek @ Apr 26 2022 06:34pm)
One thing Ive forget to mention about botd - since you have ll/ml on the weapon, you can play with second ring (second raven, angelic, etc).

Imho eth Tomb Reaver is still top tier choice.
With LoH+HL and ias jawel in Gface/Jalal or Nosferatu you will hit 4/3/3/3/6 (19). High res bonus open for you more options with helmet (gface) and socket inside.

Btw before someone will go mad - I don't underestimate the Grief setup. I believe it's one of the best, but saying it's the best in slot is probably not a true.


Hi. Im using eth zoded ribcracker now. How much off weapon ias should i aim for? Thanks.
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Apr 26 2022 08:21am
Quote (Fermeiony @ Apr 26 2022 02:20pm)
Lol so rip tomb reaver? They were so expensive >>


Nope, it's still top tier weapon for fury. Only "minus" is the price.
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Apr 26 2022 11:32am
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Standard gear with 40ias from LoH and HL gives you 5/4/4/4/6 (23).
To reach 5/3/3/3/6 (20) you need 70 gear ias and 42 werewolf (precast from stash) or 80ias and 33lvl werewolf.
Basically you have to wear 2os tiara/pelt + Nos or 3os tiara.


The atk speed is still the same as before right? They just made it so off weap ias also applies in wolf form.
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Apr 26 2022 11:36am
Botd is best. Dmg is a little lower than greif but the range is what makes it the BIS choice. It also grants all the leech you need
Ps. I tried greif +Phoenix, it's fine but it's no botd
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The atk speed is still the same as before right? They just made it so off weap ias also applies in wolf form.


No, before frames for tm were capped to 6/6/6/6/8.
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