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Mar 14 2024 11:35am
Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ Mar 14 2024 10:18am)
Foh benefits only from pcomb
Hammer benefits more from 3pcom than 2skill in almost all setups

So 3/20/2os is better and much cheaper than an expansive rare circ.
This buils has no problem of survability… so you would only spend much more fgs for a helm that just slows you down in the end

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Else, the highest possible dmg you can get is by maxing both hammer synergies, and getting conc from a pride merc.
You use redeption instead


3/20/2 is cheap but so are 2/20s. For the same price you could probably get a 2/30/20/1 with some mods which will save you more time from moving faster in town

There's no real DPS increase, it's either even or you get like 100 more damage on hammer. On top of this, rare circ can get other mods like mana or stats/life/res
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Mar 14 2024 11:48am
Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ Mar 14 2024 01:18pm)
Foh benefits only from pcomb
Hammer benefits more from 3pcom than 2skill in almost all setups

So 3/20/2os is better and much cheaper than an expansive rare circ.
This buils has no problem of survability… so you would only spend much more fgs for a helm that just slows you down in the end

Edit:

Else, the highest possible dmg you can get is by maxing both hammer synergies, and getting conc from a pride merc.
You use redeption instead


Void511's build using Pride merc / redemption aura is definitely a good one if you don't mind using a few mana pots.

Quote (dannywanghere @ Mar 14 2024 01:35pm)
3/20/2 is cheap but so are 2/20s. For the same price you could probably get a 2/30/20/1 with some mods which will save you more time from moving faster in town

There's no real DPS increase, it's either even or you get like 100 more damage on hammer. On top of this, rare circ can get other mods like mana or stats/life/res


They both have their pros/cons. I'd just get whatever is cheap/available. I personally went w/ 3/20 2os because I wanted the DR and I wasn't seeing any 2/30/20 with useful mods in that price range.
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Mar 14 2024 03:33pm
Quote (dannywanghere @ 14 Mar 2024 12:00)
Don't use a 3/20 circlet, 2/20/mods is better and same DPS. I wouldn't recommend the HoZ build tbh but it will still work

Max vigor then put points into blessed aim or vice versa (it really doesn't matter, some people think the passive AR matters for some reason). You won't be able to max both at 99. Concentration stays at 1 pt, not enough skill points. You use other paladin's aura in groups


Why not max Conc + Aim before Vigor? You have to "waste" 3 skills before making +dmg from Vigor.

What aura to use when casting FoH?
Conc when using Hammer?

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Quote (Xshoot @ Mar 14 2024 05:33pm)
Why not max Conc + Aim before Vigor? You have to "waste" 3 skills before making +dmg from Vigor.

What aura to use when casting FoH?
Conc when using Hammer?


Foh doesnt need any aura, nothing boost it
It would be hard to switch from hammer+conc to foh+other aura 3 times per second anyway lol

You can either use self conc and typical insight merc
Or
Pride merc (for conc) and you use redemption to fix mana/hp regen
This second option has more dmg (cuz you can max hammer synergies) but requires poting from time to time
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Mar 15 2024 05:57am
FOH/Hammer Build (update on my final build. I will add maxroll link soon):

Merc:
Prayer (Insight/Cure/CoH).

Gear:
Hoto, Magefist, Enigma, Arach, 3pcomb 20fcr 2os ber Circlet, ST Spirit, Bk, Soj, WT/Aldur, Mara // CTA+Spirit.

(Still thinking about Shako + 2pal/10fcr Amy for cheaper option)

Skills:
20Foh, 20Holy bolt. 1Holy Shield. 1Concen. 20Hammer. 20Blessed.

After that, for lvl90 target, Vigor if I got +7 skills to put or Concentration if less than 7. (Cost 3x skills to start adding in Vigor +14. Cost 0x skills to start adding in +7,5Concen.).

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Mar 15 2024 07:22am
Quote (Xshoot @ Mar 15 2024 07:57am)
FOH/Hammer Build (update on my final build. I will add maxroll link soon):

Merc:
Prayer (Insight/Cure/CoH).

Gear:
Hoto, Magefist, Enigma, Arach, 3pcomb 20fcr 2os ber Circlet, ST Spirit, Bk, Soj, WT/Aldur, Mara // CTA+Spirit.

(Still thinking about Shako + 2pal/10fcr Amy for cheaper option)

Skills:
20Foh, 20Holy bolt. 1Holy Shield. 1Concen. 20Hammer. 20Blessed.

After that, for lvl90 target, Vigor if I got +7 skills to put or Concentration if less than 7. (Cost 3x skills to start adding in Vigor +14. Cost 0x skills to start adding in +7,5Concen.).


for a cheaper option shako and 3pcomb/10fcr amulet isn't a bad way to go.
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Mar 15 2024 08:03am
Quote (XanderOptik @ 15 Mar 2024 09:22)
for a cheaper option shako and 3pcomb/10fcr amulet isn't a bad way to go.


I made some testing on Maxroll. Shako seem to add more dmg for hammer cauz it apply +2 on Conc.

Shako = 7420–7473dmg.
3comb/20fcr Helm = 7287–7339dmg.

I think it would be the same for 2pal vs. 3comb amulet.

This post was edited by Xshoot on Mar 15 2024 08:09am
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Mar 15 2024 08:07am
FOH/Hammer final Build:

After lot of testing on Maxroll, here's the best setup for Foh/Hammer hybrid paladin. You will have max res, 125fcr and nice life/mana pool. You don't have to invest point in str/dex to equip your gear. All vitality (460points at lvl90). Hammer dmg: 7420–7473dmg

Merc:
Prayer (Eth Insight/Cure/CoH).

Gear:
Hoto, Magefist, Enigma, Arach, Shako (ber), ST Spirit, 2xBk, Aldur, 2pal/10fcr/10allres Amulet // CTA+Spirit.

Skills:
20Foh, 20Holy bolt. 1Holy Shield. 1Concen. 20Hammer. 20Blessed. 9Vigor.

Note: You lose 50dmg for 9Vigor vs. 13Conc but you gain QoL in town.

This post was edited by Xshoot on Mar 15 2024 08:16am
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Mar 15 2024 08:29am
Quote (Xshoot @ Mar 15 2024 10:03am)
I made some testing on Maxroll. Shako seem to get more dmg from hammer cauz it apply on Conc.

Shako = 7375–7429dmg.
3comb/20fcr Helm = 7135–7185dmg.

I think it would be the same for 2pal vs. 3comb amulet.


the main difference is that the pcomb gear boosts your foh damage a little bit more and is a cheaper alternative. same thing w/ 3/20 circlet versus 2/20 circlet with good mods. one gives a little more hammer damage, the other gives a little bit more foh damage. to be clear this is all minute min/maxing. any basic gear combo works pretty well. the 125fcr build you've posted there has good QOL and will work just fine.
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Mar 15 2024 08:54am
Here is a breakdown of hammer dmg / foh dmg #s based on the gear choices I've tried out. You can check skill distribution for hammer dmg optimization at lvl 97 on this d2planner link https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/rf3av0sb. This is all tested/confirmed in game. Option #1 is basically the setup you've described and is under "mage pvm 125fcr spirit/insight merc".

FOH dmg here = FOH holy bolt dmg since that is all we care about for clearing density.

#1 - 125fcr shako/spirit/hoto - insight merc

5680 foh
9634 hammer

#2 - 125fcr 2/20circ/hoz/hoto - insight merc

5872 foh
9635 hammer

#3 - 125fcr 3/20circ/hoz/hoto - insight merc

6064 foh
9360 hammer

#4 - 86fcr 3/20circ/hoz/2pal3hamm2foh scepter - pride merc

6448 foh
10712 hammer

This post was edited by XanderOptik on Mar 15 2024 09:11am
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