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Oct 3 2022 03:30pm
Quote (ulmaguest @ Oct 3 2022 11:26pm)
I'm talking about how viable the build is even with low-end gear. Cold having built-in -Resist from CM is very powerful and budget-friendly in the context of having a Sunder Charm available.

Sure, Sunder helps other builds like Fire and Light Soso, but not out of the box like Cold Sorc. Not even a comparison.


Of course we can compare.

All this plebs adore the new cold sunder. It will be fcking expensiv because of it. Probably around 20k first 2days.

What you gonna do if you found one ? Keep it or sell it ? Of course you gonna sell it.

So what you gonna do 2weeks later ? Buy cold sunder for like 5-10k, and thats all
Or start build an end game build with usefull runewords/stuff like enigma/griffon/infinity etc and CHEAP light/fire sunder ?

Also, don't forget the prices of cold sunder will be very expensiv early, and will fall off quickly when the ladder will be spam'd by Sunder, like annihilus.
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Quote (El1te @ Oct 3 2022 05:29pm)
I think you misread the notes:

Copypasted and bolded the key word:
Sundering Charms
Conviction and Lower Resist effectiveness will be 1/5 effective even after a Sundering Charm's applied effects. (This change will go into effect on October 6 once Ladder Season Two begins).

The word Even here is very important. This means that Infinity is still 1/5 if you don't have a sunder.


Dont wear sunder, use infinity. Stay the same as before with no negative resist. Still top clearer in the game.
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Oct 3 2022 03:31pm
Quote (NoobSkills @ Oct 3 2022 02:30pm)
Dont wear sunder, use infinity. Stay the same as before with no negative resist. Still top clearer in the game.


Yes indeed, in which case there is no change to infinity if you don't use a sunder (not a buff)
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Oct 3 2022 03:31pm
Nerf to the charms not infinity

Basically only cold sunder charms have value now

Otherwise just use infinity and no sunder charm
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Oct 3 2022 03:32pm
Quote (ajnag @ Oct 3 2022 05:30pm)
Of course we can compare.


The budget differentials in how much a Sander affords Cold vs Fire / Light are incomparable. I'm not saying you can't compare the builds. :rofl:

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Oct 3 2022 03:33pm
Quote (Chronic957 @ Oct 3 2022 05:31pm)
Nerf to the charms not infinity

Basically only cold sunder charms have value now

Otherwise just use infinity and no sunder charm


Not true. Infinity only breaks light.
So cold/fire/psn still need the charm. Infinity is just far less helpful.
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Quote (Chronic957 @ Oct 3 2022 02:31pm)
Nerf to the charms not infinity

Basically only cold sunder charms have value now

Otherwise just use infinity and no sunder charm


fire sunder is still okay if you want to play a fire build, since infinity didn't break most fire immunes
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Oct 3 2022 03:34pm
Quote (Pralex @ 3 Oct 2022 21:59)
this... there´s no nerf, it´s never been specifically been said that conviction and lower res will be at 100% effectiveness after SC removes the immunity


it was like that in the ptr
Quote (AlakhaiDeMythos @ 3 Oct 2022 21:58)
infinity is buffed if you use sunder...

the 1/5 doesnt apply anymore because immunity is broken prior to infinity application


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Oct 3 2022 03:36pm
Quote (ulmaguest @ Oct 3 2022 11:32pm)
The budget differentials in how much a Sander affords Cold vs Fire / Light are incomparable. I'm not saying you can't compare the builds. :rofl:


Of course it's comparable because of the price of cold sunder early

Even if it worth nothing 1 month later, 1 month later you should be full stuff, so no reason to buy cold sunder at this stage.

And early, if you found one, you gonna sell it. I know it because of your fg's. And you gonna sell it fast, because prices will fall off quickly.

Fire sunder will be cheap, in fact because fire builds are expensiv. So no nobody will want to buy one early. => cheap

So, 2 weeks later after the reset, when you gonna start to build your endgame char, what you gonna do?

Buy for 5-10k your stupid cold sunder ?
or
Start to buy real gear; runewords/strong uniques/ + cheap fire/light sunder
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