Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 1 2026 05:12pm)

So extra testing should be unnecessary with that, we can establish that indeed a monster bound in a P8 game will have 4.5x the HP when you bring it to other games, locking in the base HP multiplier, and presumably also the base damage.
That also means the rapid reroll method for getting a cursed TZ monster will only have 22% of the HP of a P8 monster. So you NEED to get it in a P8 game

Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 22 2026 10:15pm)

• S Tier: Spear Rogue (TZ > Matron > Reg)
  
• A Tier: Urdar > Minion of Destruction > Vile Mother
  
• B Tier: Goatman > Hephasto > Smith > Axe Rogue > Hell Buzzard
  
• C Tier: Council > Balrog / Overseer / Putrid Defiler / Tainted > Flayer
  
• F Tier: Fallen/Fetish Shaman > Siren > Fetish / Archer Rogue > Demon Imp > Succubi
  
• Platinum SSS Hidden Tier: Pain Worm / Vile Child upgraded to unique via monster shrine so it has cursed

Rankings are only for true pokemon trainers not 1 pointer echoing strike builds that just need aura.
When you've got high blood oath the HP/damage difference on Hephasto and a Goatman is mostly irrelevant, they are both unkillable and 95% dps comes from the skill, but A5 tundra goats run 50% faster
If you just need a lowbie aura bot then the base HP really does matter and you can go grind river of flame every time you die, you take that long walk of shame
Rogues with shields have blocking but that makes them worse because they have an animation that interrupts them, better to just take damage.
Any monster that uses an ability that does nothing or has a defensive AI is wasting time not attacking. At least Vile Mothers bring a permanent set of meat shields with them, unlike Shamans
All ranged attacks are totally worthless.

Quote (IMCL85 @ Feb 22 2026 11:28pm)

damn gotta farm that bitch, but I guess I will wait until I sort of buy all my gear first. dont want to waste hours farming for that perfect one and I rekt during chaos run.

Quote (Buffalo_Soldier @ Mar 1 2026 08:28pm)

Sounds like the holy grail bound demon is pretty hard to get to. Have you researched whether heralds are worth binding if they roll on the right monster type?

Quote (furytoronto @ Mar 1 2026 12:53pm)

Two very important information has been released by llamasc.

Source: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N76YZ0ayqX4zauRGX2KvagL6D3PlXLSzq-oGmJoU4HI/edit?usp=drivesdk


Demon gets resummoned every time you join the game (it’s not being snapshotted)

Demon keeps p8 life stats

Quote (furytoronto @ Mar 1 2026 08:59pm)

Check the linked google sheet drafted by mrllamasc’s team (i got the link from his youtube post). I accidentally set it restricted access but now should be able to open through the link.

They tested that only p8 life persists but damage and ar stats.

Also tested demon gets resummoned with your bind demon level everytime you join the game so no need to max lvl bind demon when you capture it

Quote (furytoronto @ Mar 1 2026 10:59pm)

Check the linked google sheet drafted by mrllamasc’s team (i got the link from his youtube post). I accidentally set it restricted access but now should be able to open through the link.

They tested that only p8 life persists but damage and ar stats.

Also tested demon gets resummoned with your bind demon level everytime you join the game so no need to max lvl bind demon when you capture it

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 2 2026 05:02am)

Yeah we tested the latter part earlier, but still need to have level 20+ bind since it locks in affixes
The base damage, if it is or isn't getting locked in at binding for P1 vs P8, would be an unnoticeably insignificant portion of damage anyway. IE the difference between (127+1718) and (182+1718)
not worth testing for anyway