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Actually, if you want to prove which weapon is better, thats exactly what you need to do.

It does not matter that rare weapon has visio hence more AR without knowing the other gear. Could wear CoA and the other rare with visio. Or one can use phoenix and the other uppd zaka or whatever. This is all effects dmg. One can have 100% deadly strike, the other only 75%. Also can effect dmg.

In itself, it is true- rare visio will hit often but grief will hit bigger. But again, without same gear you cant prove indefinitely which weapon is stronger.

Why does every Rare weapons they use has Fools instead of going after 450 ED Eth weapons? Reread post 118.

450 weapons are used against wolves and Fools mod is used in Zeal vs Zeal duels simply because Zealots have high defense.

This post was edited by Tarisus on Oct 14 2023 10:12am

There's a lot more to ZPK than choice of weapon. Grief will be the underdog 80% of the time, you can build around it and not need/require fools mod to do well, having fools allows you to focus more on defense.

This isn’t true at all though because different gear requires different setups. That’s like taking a 117fcr hoto wielding light sorc and swapping in a crescent moon without considering any change in gear and concluding that crescent moon sucks because it doesn’t hit 117fcr.

You can’t compare the weapons in a vacuum like that because the builds can completely change with that change in weapon.

Here’s the plot for AR vs Def graph. Zealots can have anywhere from 20-45k defense, maybe higher in some cases. So having that fools which granted extra 11k AR is extremely useful. Which allows you to use Highlords/Ravenfrost/Melee ring instead of the Grief guy forced to use Dual angelics ring plus angelics amulet to even remotely have a chance to hit.


In the video, both Zealots had around 20k Defense, based off the graph, if your AR is also 20k puts you at 1 to 1 ratio yields 50% chance to hit before block assuming level 99 vs 99. Without Fools means 9k vs 20k Defense, which puts you at about 29% chance to hit. So having fools increased your hit chance from 29% to 50%.

This post was edited by Tarisus on Oct 14 2023 10:27am

the guy with the rare erep ettin axe won

You just proving my point mate. If the debate is which weapon has the most raw dmg, than my point. If the debate is about which build is the best for zvz, that's another.

I am saying if you want to know if grief makes more dmg than any other than you should test as that, so identical other gear.

For make it more obvious: if my char is naked and I have the best eth rare visio weapon you will best me fully geared with a wizzpsike. So wizzpsike is better than rareawesomeness?

Another analogy
Rimac is faster than current F1 car, because it takes 1 mile a second faster. So rimac is faster. And then you say, but F1 car will go around circuit much quicker because cornering speed. But that wasn't the question was it.

But I am done with this so take it as you wish

A weapon can be better and a build can be better. It’s not an either or proposition.

Maybe to make it more clear let’s say we have a grief setup (presumably need extra AR) and a fools setup focused more specifically around additional deadly strike. Which setup do you use to conclude which weapon is better by your argument?

Do you run both weapons in the fools serup? Well the fools weapon probably wins. Do you run both weapons in the grief setup? Well then the grief probably wins. By your premise you’d just pick one and claim definitively “x” weapon is better while ignoring the results of the opposite test.

The only test that matters is running eaxh complete build against each other. But by your argument, the only test that matters… doesn’t matter. Which just doesn’t make any sense.

For your argument to work you’d need a completely neutral “control” setup. Which doesn’t really exist.

This post was edited by TeenyUncle8 on Oct 16 2023 05:50am

Use Maxroll website and choose hell baal as your opponent. You can get your to hit chance there as well as general damage output. Of course its only a theory.