9fpa is 2.77 att/sec
6fpa is 4 att/sec

No i dont use screen damage, i use d2maxroll, they give you damage per second, per skill etc



This post was edited by Chikoulinger on Nov 27 2021 02:53pm

So you just multiplied the windforce damage by 2.77 and the MB setup by 4? It's just hard to believe that the rote damage difference between those bases would make up for having 1.3 more attacks per second. But maybe after all the multipliers etc it is. Just doesn't look right intuitively.

No i didnt do that.

Maxroll gives you the good dps for windforce at 9fpa.
maxroll give u also the good dps for 7fpa (cause they dont use 6fpa atm) I just did a "cross-multiplication?" (dont know if it's the good word) to have the good 6fpa dps.

This post was edited by Chikoulinger on Nov 27 2021 02:55pm

I'm so confuse... I don't know what are you doing....

7FPA level 15 fana with diamond bow, need 65IAS -> 45 helm, 20 layind of hand, you can use razortail, atma and fortitude.

With windforce:

Multiple Shot – Level 23
Damage: 1403–18,445
Attack Rate: 9 frames (2.78 hits per second)
Damage per Second: 42,802
Attack Rating 14,760

With Faith diamond bow:

Multiple Shot – Level 23
Damage: 4654–10,774
Attack Rate: 7 frames (3.57 hits per second)
Damage per Second: 44,954
Attack Rating 24,731

More damage and 10k more AR... and enough spare points to max valk and guided arrow, while windforce can't even max one of those.

https://d2.maxroll.gg/d2planner/t10106ej

Both setup are there, the second ring is "free" for now, since one need dual leech, and the other one only need life leech, so windforce may reduce a tiny bit the difference there, but is still worse.

This post was edited by Titus1986 on Nov 27 2021 03:04pm

But you apply your total damage amount exactly the number of times you attack per second. That's what Damage Per Second is.

Attacking a whole extra time each second even with 20% lower base damage would still be more DPS.

I am not familiar enough with maxroll and how they calculate damage but does it give you the damage per attack? Negating an entire attack per second's worth of damage would require a massive base damage difference and it just doesn't pass the mathematical sniff test and so I am trying to better understand how you arrived at your conclusions.

Not trying to be a stickler honestly just trying to gauge how these results were obtained.

You cant use LOH with Faith, cause u dont have KB.
try with some rand KB gloves, WF is just higher. (edit : by just i mean really really close)

This post was edited by Chikoulinger on Nov 27 2021 03:13pm

Yes dont worry, if i made this post is to discuss this way

WF and MB Faith damage differnece is relly really huge.
See the picture i edited in a previous post, maxroll give you the exact DPS.
They give the damage per attack too, yes.

This post was edited by Chikoulinger on Nov 27 2021 03:13pm

Why not exactly? I never use KB in my bowa, which it's like that one but with less perfect items (so less hp and a bit less damage) and I never ever felt the need of it.

You have a super tank valk, and not a super tank merc, but good enough to tank for a bit, plus cold damage from raven to chill almost anything and 2 screens of range, nothing is coming close to you ever.

If you die is not because you don't have KB is because you take a turn and find a group of souls that one shot you before you even shoot one time, and that is because is softcore, you don't care and don't cast decoy/valk in every corner first.

This post was edited by Titus1986 on Nov 27 2021 03:14pm

I see what u mean, i perosnnaly like to play with KB. To say the truth, if WF had no KB i didnt use it.

Well, those tests show us that diamond Faith setup is really close (or = ^^) to WF setup in PVM.

But in PVP, i think WF is under the Diamond setup due to the ability to wear dracul's.

I need more fg to be able to try this properly :b

Edit : oh, and i see you are using 15max/15ias on tiara, i used 40/15 for the test, maybe the difference come from here.

This post was edited by Chikoulinger on Nov 27 2021 03:21pm

I'm not going to argue with pvp because I have no idea there to be honest.

PvM I may agree that if you feel like you need KB no matter what, the 2 setup are close enough to use the windforce setup instead of diamond/shadow setup with a KB gloves.

If you don't care about the KB, like me, diamond/shadow setup is a bit better in damage, a lot better in AR and you have more skill points, plus instead of KB I feel safer being able to shoot faster the first shoots, that also help to avoid monster to come to close to you.