Trap Laying Speed - Topic

Ok thanks a lot for the info, makes sense

I dont have a video of auto wsm yet, maybe I can make one sometime soon. Personally i have only tried it in single player but I have heard from other people who can confirm that it does indeed work on the actual online server for d2r

yup. using auto wsm on nats set here, can confirm it works.
also seen people using auto wsm on trapper.

btw one peculiar thing about auto wsm, if you add/remove charms or other equip that may break or enable autowsm, it stops or starts working immediately, even if the claws are not touched.
it's almost like d2r refreshes inv whenever there is any change?
might explain why manual wsm bug no longer works. but thats just a wild guess.

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Nov 8 2021 01:41pm

Quote (Ziecheik @ Nov 8 2021 11:39am)

that is good to know and incredibly annoying, the only way to make it work again is i'm assuming to rejoin game?

dex bugging runic claws with shadow dancers, game doesn't acknowledge the IAS it's fuckin annoying

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Nov 8 2021 01:42pm

Quote (ThoroBR @ Nov 6 2021 08:20am)

c1 - feral claw (-20wsm)
c2 - blade talon (-20 wsm)
wsm = (c1+c2)/2 = (-20+-20)/2 = -20 wsm

-20 wsm = 63% ias needed without SIAS (skill ias aka BoS or fana aura)

so if only your described gear ias you achieved 55%ias, so no 9 laying traps (wihtout BoS)

D2R now has uncapped breakpoints, but still follow diminished returns law, we're gattering all info about the other breakpoints, because, of course, d2r has a deviance of d2, some breakpoints calc doesn't round up anymore, so is kinda trick
the good news, ppl more smart than me already figured this and we get a accurate formula to achieve more breakpoints such 8, 7 and even 6 fpa in some cases of laying traps. The other result is now we know why ppl report get the same
fpa with less ias needed, some breakpoints like 9 fpa laying traps with GT/RT (-30 wsm) in D2 should achieve this 9fpa with 42%ias now on D2R you can achieve 9fpa with the same claw with only 40% ias actually! so now i explained how
d2r fvcked all breakpoints lets to your case:

your laying traps fpa was faster because you hitted a new breakpoint, BoS+45 ias of treachery is huge, when i say huge i mean the only way to achieve more than 8 fpa without break your gear is BoS i believe..

so you have 3 options: your claws = -20wsm
a. fade+your claws = 60 ias% (before in D2 was 63%) to achieve 9 fpa laying trap without BoS
b. 113% ias needed to achieve 8 fpa laying trap without BoS
c. BoS (lv15)+your claws you hit 9 fpa w/ 0%ias needed, 8fpa w/ 9 ias% and 7fpa w/ 40% ias needed, 6 fpa w/ 117% ias needed

i hope this helped you, cya sir

very interesting stuff, thats for the post.
was thinking something was off with values here and there.

question, does this difference in formula have any implications on fcr breakpoints being calculated differently? would rounding up/down change the breakpoints we take for granted?
or is this only for ias and fcr is calculated exactly the same as in lod?

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Nov 8 2021 01:43pm

Quote (Graceful @ Nov 8 2021 03:41pm)

if you meet the conditions for autowsm with your gloveside claw being equipped last, it will start working immediately in d2r.
if a change in stats causes you to lose these conditions, it will stop working.

if you are dex bugging using dancers, remember that the slow gloveside claw is the one you want equipped last.

*not* the runic. the runic needs to be equipped first in wsm bugging.

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Nov 8 2021 02:00pm

For 7fpa it's only 100EIAS tested it myself. There may be other discrepancies but I only Personally tested 7fpa. The formula as proposed by marvel. is as follows. (All credits to him)

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ceiling((8* 256) / floor[128* (100-wsm+skillias+eias) / 100]) -1

New EIAS based on aforementioned formula would be:

10=47
9=61
8=79
7=100
6=129
5=168
4=221

This post was edited by dooderek on Nov 8 2021 02:04pm

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Nov 8 2021 02:06pm

Is 42 ias enough on my gt for max ias w/fade

Iso tldr version :rofl:

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Nov 8 2021 02:10pm

Quote (Ziecheik @ Nov 8 2021 04:42pm)

i'll show the eias table and how to calc to get the same result of -20 wsm claws as me =P

i have reports of fcr too, but only in hero editor single player of ppl with 700 fcr doing teleports really fast, but because the diminished returns is much more harder to achieve fcr bps than ias bps, so we can't get faster tps realistically speaking
but, in theory (speculation here), we can have new numbers for the same fcr, but i would need check the fcr formula

*** The Auto wsm change a lot, because with this we can achieve -50 wsm (GT+WF for example) wich is huge! I would be really glad if someone show in video just to get more credibility the affirmation! but ty for the reports guys.

i can make a sin table of ias, because legen posted a good eias table, so is viable to get more accurate numbers now. Well.. but is easier to teach how to calc the ias for yourself
1) You will have to choose fade or BoS
2) You will have to choose what will be your base claws (this is more important than +5 ls or +4 ls..)
3) you will have to choose auto wsm or nay

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