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Mar 6 2026 04:30pm
Upped eth skin of the flayed one wins against both. The defense on this one is better than DR, combined with the defiance aura, he'll rarely get hit. Biggest flaw of CoH is low defense.


I wrote it off because the resists won't be maxed, no fire/cold/light, just poison from cure. Its just 7% leech and higher defense, the extra defense shouldn't win out over all the other benefits of COH
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Insight OR infinity + cure

Chains of honor
>fairly high defense
>+246% damage to demons / 146% to undead / 46% to animals
>+20% damage added to player/minions
>8% lifesteal
>8% DR
>25% mf
>75/75/75/75 resists

vs

Greyform ethereal dusk shroud socketed with protector's stone
>very low defense
>1% Chance to cast level 15 Fade when struck
>+10-30 base damage
>-5-10% enemy DR
>5% lifesteal
>15-35% mf
>25-50% gf
>75/75/60/75 resists

Which one would actually wind up better for practical purposes? Sure, CoH has some buffer for merc resists vs conviction aura.
How much proccing does the 1% fade do, compared to the already eh fade on treachery's 5%. With longer games of people grinding sunders in P8 all acts it seems like it could actually trigger.

With no lifesteal on insight/infinity/cure/flickering flame, there are only 4 armors that provide life leech. Greyform is just 5% but it neatly caps your mercs fire/cold defense, while cure caps its poison. Skin of the flayed one is a higher 7% but would leave you at 60/60/60/75 resists. Boneflesh is just worse.
There's also the option of a crafted blood armor, but that only hits 3% lifesteal at best and needs to roll each +resist independently since there's no prismatic on armor AND its got virtually no benefit unless its also 2 sockets. And yeah you could have a 3% lifesteal / 2 socket / max fire / max light armor but nobody has ever crafted such a thing, and there are almost zero relevant affixes other than +life it could gain, so it would still be worse than the 5% greyform.


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I wrote it off because the resists won't be maxed, no fire/cold/light, just poison from cure. Its just 7% leech and higher defense, the extra defense shouldn't win out over all the other benefits of COH

It does in practice. You require a single um rune with cure to have resists maxed. That's my go to combo with my blizzard sorc.
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Mar 6 2026 04:46pm
Budget:
Skin of flayed one + um

High end:
Coh

Coh is just more reliable.
The main thing you need from your merc is reliability and increasing the support he brings, which is slightly increased by the +2 skill.

I appreciate the effort to theorycraft around all this, but I really don’t see it outclassing the above. And that jewel is not budget, so it falls at an awkward spot for a merc.
Again, I feel like it’s worth it in arioc/reaper on a barb who would really benefit from this investment as his slower kill speed leaves more room to the merc to deal dmg. But that’s about it…
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Mar 6 2026 04:55pm
Shit half the time I just run boneflesh and forget to swap to flayed.

Life rep with cure is insane, but could be bias.

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Mar 6 2026 04:58pm
It does in practice. You require a single um rune with cure to have resists maxed. That's my go to combo with my blizzard sorc.


well I was considering the uber jewel armor setups. If you use an um in skin of the flayed one, then compared to COH you get a bit more defense (2061 flayed vs 1380 coh vs 720 greyform) but lose big amounts of damage and leech (not just the 1%, but also the extra dps for more leech), on top of the less important % dr / mf / aura to player. The upside of the protector's stone setup is to get that fade in longer games, so without the jewel not much reason to use the armors with sockets, even a 15/15 jewel just makes the difference of 6.5->6 fpa anyway

Budget:
Skin of flayed one + um

High end:
Coh

Coh is just more reliable.
The main thing you need from your merc is reliability and increasing the support he brings, which is slightly increased by the +2 skill.

I appreciate the effort to theorycraft around all this, but I really don’t see it outclassing the above. And that jewel is not budget, so it falls at an awkward spot for a merc.
Again, I feel like it’s worth it in arioc/reaper on a barb who would really benefit from this investment as his slower kill speed leaves more room to the merc to deal dmg. But that’s about it…


Considering the best in slot rather than budget.
The thing is that all the affixes on COH other than 8% leech are kind of meh, to the point even a unique a1 norm quilted armor you find off coldcrow can compete
As per the example before, we're talking some extra DPS in most cases and a significant leech advantage for COH- but stone on its own recouping a considering portion of that deficit, and gets 1% of fade as its main draw. Stone setup should deal more DPS to most animals and might deal about the same to undead or a little less, COH will deal more to demons and leech more in all the scenarios.
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Yeah I know you’re talking BiS
I was just making a bridge with what babun said

My point is, if we exclude the rarity of this jewel, versus ber… which I believe will soon be in favor of ber as bots will surely come back to RotW and more easily farm bers than those jewels… bet even if we exclude that…

Comparing dmg/leech is futile.
What matters most is reliability and support.
This is what coh gives.
This is the weakness of relying on 1% ctc fade and losing 2 aura lvl.
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Mar 6 2026 06:08pm
Well the reliability isn't much. Some minor extra DPS/leech, resist to lightning and DR in the time before a fade proc, 2 aura levels might be just 20% ed to a build with 1600%+ ed
People can spend an hour in a long TZ game. If fade does proc, its a 5 minute duration, likely long enough to proc again and refresh its duration

That's the thing about COH in this comparison: The majority of what you're getting from it is just +8% leech / +13-15% all resists, and most of the rest is redundant or marginal and/or unreliable. Yeah the % ed to demons is nice for leeching off venom lords or lister in specific, but won't help a fig against prime evils and won't matter much to succubi or 55-75% dr urdars. And most undead you boost your damage against, can't be leeched from. Its definitely a nice benefit, but well- unreliable.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 6 2026 06:15pm
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Mar 6 2026 10:04pm
>0% leech


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Seems to be missing that "Level 1 cleansing aura while equipped" or "Level 8 resist fire aura while equipped"
Everyone wants to use an aura weapon and aura helm, which leaves no % life leech on any slot except armor, which leaves the only possible options as CoH, greyform, skin of the flayed one, boneflesh, and a crafted blood armor
I'm making the argument greyform with a protector's stone in it is arguably the best in slot option. A bit less damage/leech than COH in exchange for fade, which matters in the very long TZ herald hunting games.
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