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Feb 29 2024 03:49am
Quote (Celemir @ 29 Feb 2024 17:38)
D2r has fixed everything. Life is good :)


I just watched a video for it on D2R. . It is still bugged. :lol:
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Feb 29 2024 03:53am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 29 2024 10:49am)
I just watched a video for it on D2R. . It is still bugged. :lol:


No, it works as intended
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Feb 29 2024 04:17am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 29 2024 10:36am)
Hey mate. So the Skull Heart Jewel as shown is the first post is basically screwed ?

If socketed on a non-weapon item, the ED is completely ignored, yes.

Quote (Energo_Pro @ Feb 29 2024 10:36am)
I think i got it finally on the ed and min/max dmg. What abt if the helm has min dmg on it and i put jewel with ed+more min dmg on it. Will the ed apply on the min dmg of the helm, or on the min dmg of the Jewel as well, or not at all on any min dmg?

It's not about the ED not affecting the min on the item or jewel, it's about it not affecting the entire min attack damage (sum of the base weapon min damage + all the min modifiers on all items).
And in such case, the bug will only occur for melee attacks, but not ranged (as long as no max is involved as well).

This post was edited by xhul on Feb 29 2024 04:21am
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Feb 29 2024 04:27am
Quote (xhul @ Feb 29 2024 12:17pm)
If socketed on a non-weapon item, the ED is completely ignored, yes.


It's not about the ED not affecting the min on the item or jewel, it's about it not affecting the entire min attack damage (sum of the base weapon min damage + all the min modifiers on all items).
And in such case, the bug will only occur for melee attacks, but not ranged (as long as no max is involved as well).


Does range attacks included throw barb?Maybe ed, min dmg or max dmg Will work all fine on that char?
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Quote (Energo_Pro @ Feb 29 2024 11:27am)
Does range attacks included throw barb?Maybe ed, min dmg or max dmg Will work all fine on that char?

Throws are considered ranged attacks, so yes, ED+min OR ED+max won't trigger the bug (despite what the stat screen says), but ED+min+max will (both stat screen and actual damage).

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Quote (xhul @ Feb 29 2024 12:36pm)
Throws are considered ranged attacks, so yes, ED+min OR ED+max won't trigger the bug (only the damage numbers on the stat screen will be bugged), but ED+min+max will trigger the bug on actual damage.


Wow, didnt expect that. So the ed, min and max all together obviously worse case. But ed min or ed max dmg is ok for the throw char or range char. Sadly it Will not show on the screen to prove. Difficult to see much difference in action
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Feb 29 2024 04:51am
Quote (Energo_Pro @ Feb 29 2024 11:43am)
Wow, didnt expect that. So the ed, min and max all together obviously worse case. But ed min or ed max dmg is ok for the throw char or range char. Sadly it Will not show on the screen to prove. Difficult to see much difference in action

You got the idea, though there are some cases where all 3 could be on an item without bug (for example, you socket 3 jewels with 1 mod on each in that order: ED,min,max or ED,max,min).
The only way to accurately test the effect of that bug is to do what the authors of the original research did, basically check monster life removal directly.
If you're interested in that original research, there's a link to it on my profile, but that's a long read.

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Feb 29 2024 06:10am
just made some experment wit a 11 ed, 8 min dmg jewel. Min dmg significally improved but not sure if that's including the %ed on the jewel. However it looks that the min dmg is included in the % dmg from weapon and skills. Still, even if the ed on the jewel (max. 30% on rare one) is not calculated to the min dmg of the jewel, i believe it will not make much difference.

Example:
no ed on helm - min dmg 1246
with 11 ed - dmg should be 1263

Actual dmg - 1305

Can't realy calculate that much so happy if somebody can verify if ed + min dmg work together on jewel and on helm.

Sorry for digging so much, just interested and actualy thinking if worth buying barb helm with min dmg on it, as i will put ed jewel inside
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Feb 29 2024 06:16am
Quote (Energo_Pro @ 29 Feb 2024 20:10)
just made some experment wit a 11 ed, 8 min dmg jewel. Min dmg significally improved but not sure if that's including the %ed on the jewel. However it looks that the min dmg is included in the % dmg from weapon and skills. Still, even if the ed on the jewel (max. 30% on rare one) is not calculated to the min dmg of the jewel, i believe it will not make much difference.

Example:
no ed on helm - min dmg 1246
with 11 ed - dmg should be 1263

Actual dmg - 1305

Can't realy calculate that much so happy if somebody can verify if ed + min dmg work together on jewel and on helm.

Sorry for digging so much, just interested and actualy thinking if worth buying barb helm with min dmg on it, as i will put ed jewel inside


I was hoping I can use such rare jewel with ED and min/max on a Kicker Sin...
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Feb 29 2024 06:18am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Feb 29 2024 02:16pm)
I was hoping I can use such rare jewel with ED and min/max on a Kicker Sin...


as i understand and a bit surprised, ranged chars are not suffering this issue. a bit complicated on calcs and bug with ed/min/max jewels
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