Quote (Count_Grishnak @ 17 Dec 2023 00:53)
Thanks for the effort.
Do you think that 20 min each zone has enough good/bad spawns to interpolate a full hour or more from it?
Could you explain a few pathings to the zones? Especially things like spider forest/cata/halls/flayer/lost city/foothills would be a good additions, since you see a lot of different things in those tzs.
I didn't expect so much XP from Sewers to be honest.
Some excellent questions. I do have some extra notes that I for some reason decided not to include, like information on specific waypoint, monster AI etc. But had to cut it somewhere.
I also was writing a section about the subject super unique, unique and champion packs. About their spawn limits, how one overrides the other and why you wanna run each map in specific patterns, so you can clear the most amount of unique/champion packs per hour. But it went into a rabbit hole that deserves its own topic.
20 minutes seemed to be an okay compromise, I didn't quite feel like doing more than 15~ hours of single player testing. But yes you are right the more testing the better. For some of the zones I actually did two test passes where they pretty much hit within the margin or error.
Tested these twice: Chaos, Arcane, Sewers, Flayer Jungle and Flayer Dungeon, Spider Forest and Spider Cavern, Lost City, Valley of Snakes, and Claw Viper Temple. As these kinda surprised me and wanted to make sure the results were correct.
Spider forest - from town
Cata - from inner wp
Halls - from wp - as maps are static go towards Nihl, kill packs on the way. After killing Nihl return and go in parallel lines about 1.5 screens apart. Clear about 40% of the Halls of Anguish and Halls of Pain, that usually spawns around 80-90% of the unique/champion pack limit. End with killing Pindleskin.
Flayer - from LK WP, backtrack. find flayer dungeon, continue of around 50-60% of flayer jungle has been cleared for packs.
Lost city - main goal is to find Claw viper, clear about 30-50% of lost city depending on the place entrances are.
Foothills - Frigid highlands wp straight to frigid hills only do half of the second half and then back to frigid highlands.
Quote (Ashina @ 17 Dec 2023 00:56)
tal rasha number 1? i thought it was good but not that good, amazing data.
although usually i see that when tal tz is up people take a 1 tomb and when they are done its next game. so i guess that would make the results different depending on what tomb you get.
I guess its liket his if you have 8 accounts, or seven slaves.
Yeah the zone is quite freaking amazing. 50~ packs killed per 6.5 minute game.
Quote (daanno2 @ 17 Dec 2023 01:01)
couple of thoughts/questions -
1) am surprised only 12 runs/hour on wsk with mosaicsin. i understand you said realistic gear within 1st week of ladder - what does that look like roughly? and would you expect results for this or other meta builds to change signficantly with end game setups
2) roughly how much are you clearing on each map? elite packs/density only? etc. Or are there specific strats on certain maps - for example just eldritch/shenk for bloody foothills/frigid.
the other thing related to this is that there are a cap on elite packs for most maps, which can mean it may not be optimal to traverse the whole map (like arcane), and can favor maps with a lot of smaller separate areas (like tz tombs).
3)Rocky Waste and Stony Tomb - very surprised by the placing of this. hated the density, stony tomb so small and hard to find, and then you have to do the a2 walk every time.
4) also would like your input on lite sorc and how well it would do on some of the top areas. some old schoolers here insist its better than nova lol. i highly doubt it.
1) Yeah could seem quite slow. But WSK 1, 2, 3 and Throne of Destruction are booming with unique packs. 50sec per wsk and full throne and 1m20s for waves adds to 12.6 games/h.
2) Depends on the map but elite packs + great density, 30-70% really depending on what map/zone. As some zones you can get 90% of the packs just discovering 40% of the map. examples in the answer above your quote.
This post was edited by Roneye on Dec 16 2023 07:02pm