Quote (Tabuu @ Jul 24 2020 08:29am)

yet another that talk logics/theories... thats well known already without actually compete with those chars.

Also stop mention adaptation or any other cold sorc, do it yourself, then prove me wrong maybe ill change my perspective.

Same goes with es

Quote (iceydicey @ Jul 24 2020 12:06pm)

btw, the answer to how much damage a 85% res+79% es sorc tanks from 1 fb is about 110. so a 85% res+79% es sorc that never has mana broken with defensive regen/potting takes 19 fbs at 2k hp and 28 fbs at 3k hp to kill.

sorry for spam brutal, if there is somewhere else we can discuss this we should move it

Quote (Gemmd @ Jul 24 2020 12:53pm)

i do think some of u 4get some of us have 10-15 years experience svsing. we have tried almost everything, and talked about what u guys are talking about many times.
this is why we used to update rules constantly and have these discussions. brutal didnt take the latest rule set from old ladder, but its not that different.
you arent the first to feel a type a way about es sorcs.
svs is naturally a very aggressive class vs class. that is why we have rules for es since they TEND to be defensive. we cannot change rules for 1 person since someone else will jump at the chance of abusing that rule.

"Yall are all too used to 200fb easily and comfortably going aggressive cuz OP, until got caught or outlasted then start spamming or give in cuz dont want to waste more time."
sry, this doesnt make sense. like i said svs is aggressive, but the trick is to out nl, chain, and figure a way how to beat s1 with higher life thru skill. NOT defensive, l8z, or spam. thats what makes people good.

Facts are:
fbs are a cheap viable option. u can make a fb sorc with 1-2k and still have a good chance of getting top 5 if u have the skill. i just did this 2 months ago when i came back from a few year hiatus...
cold sorcs will always get the short stick and cost a lot more to be able to compete with top 5. with anya being fixed, it allows people to get 450 cr with a lot more life than when i had my cold at #1, but it always allows adaptions build w/o a 20fcr orb.

sorry brutal for spam, but this is a svs ladder and will bound to have svs discussions lol

Quote (iceydicey @ Jul 24 2020 01:06pm)

btw, the answer to how much damage a 85% res+79% es sorc tanks from 1 fb is about 110. so a 85% res+79% es sorc that never has mana broken with defensive regen/potting takes 19 fbs at 2k hp and 28 fbs at 3k hp to kill. and this is all assuming 0 life rep

sorry for spam brutal, if there is somewhere else we can discuss this we should move it

Quote (Tabuu @ Jul 24 2020 12:10pm)

Yea all the nl, chain, etc. are mostly an advantage for 200fcr fb, until they get caught and on low health then they play defensive, l8z, etc. what can you do? especially on light or cold.

The es rule is clearly because of 1 person, which make the rest of us got no choice but to play like that person to win, and no one like anyone that play that style lol.

and youre pretty much saying a 1-2k 200fb sorc can kill a cold and light sorc that worth 50k. How is that balance ?

Quote (Truonk @ Jul 24 2020 01:08pm)

I have a similar cold sorc compared to Frost, but I just suck. Also you could build an ES sorc that can trade fbs with 200fcr w/ out running away. I've tested 80% cap using sop and it's fair since a well built ES fb sorc can tank 18 shots if played correctly w/ out life regen.

Quote (iceydicey @ Jul 24 2020 01:06pm)

btw, the answer to how much damage a 85% res+79% es sorc tanks from 1 fb is about 110. so a 85% res+79% es sorc that never has mana broken with defensive regen/potting takes 19 fbs at 2k hp and 28 fbs at 3k hp to kill. and this is all assuming 0 life rep

sorry for spam brutal, if there is somewhere else we can discuss this we should move it

Quote (Tabuu @ Jul 24 2020 12:10pm)

Yea all the nl, chain, etc. are mostly an advantage for 200fcr fb, until they get caught and on low health then they play defensive, l8z, etc. what can you do? especially on light or cold.

The es rule is clearly because of 1 person, which make the rest of us got no choice but to play like that person to win, and no one like anyone that play that style lol.

and youre pretty much saying a 1-2k 200fb sorc can kill a cold and light sorc that worth 50k. How is that balance ?

Quote (tommyd323 @ Jul 24 2020 03:15pm)

Svs should just be tals only. That’d be balanced :p



Those are bad svsers tbh. Best thing for a comeback on 200 fcr fb is a good train stomp. As for countering defensive ones maybe telek + blizz combo when they’re running on low health? I don’t have much experience on cold, though.