also this setup doesnt hit 86 fhr if you use gcs and have a budget on gcs your build will not pass 3k life even if you have 45 lifers you would barely pass 3k life mark using this setup if you put sheal in gear you lose a huge chunk of damage

a vita sorc can straight up tank at least 8-9fb from an es sorc and they can play both way offensive and defensive. Especially for 200fcr fb sorc, tanking 8-9fbs and sit at 200fcr, can kill es sorc with matter of secs

For a es sorc if get caught with 3-4 hit straight youre pretty much dead, and they cant really play offensive against vita, unless theyre low.

idk how but

Maybe you should try to climb ladder with that cold sorc

maybe it really just is levels cause i'm on a level 98, and my gear really is pretty budget.



i think i used 2x fhr gcs and got down to 3200 hp if i remember correctly



it sounds like you are making the case for why the es sorc has to play defensively, which the 85% res cap would make a huge difference for. i do not agree that a vita sorc ever has the chance to play defensively like a es sorc, because they cannot ever run away and regen like an es sorc can.

anyway, this rule update is not even anything crazy. the original rules from 2010 that allowed 85% was changed to 80% in around 2013, presumably because it was considered to be too strong in svs. brutal is not changing any rules here, just updating ruleset from original 2010 rules to the updated 2013 rules.



easy, higher hp damage= longer hit stun. i am talking about in a face to face stomp, not about the m/u overall. if you've ever tested vita vs adapt's cold sorc you would know what i'm talking about.

he did in the 2v2 torny it was him vs tabuu and me vs light sorc they dueled

Could be. Once i get my gspurs I'm going to make some changes and do some tests that very well may result in more life than i expect. I also need to get my sorc leveled up. Cause 90 really is low 😂 the 18str and 10fhr extra over my current boots are going to open up options i haven't had yet/ make more room for life vit stat’d. My vs fire setup is currently being choked a little by my vs cold setup without the spurs.


Working on getting my original named gspurs back from the guy i sold them to in 2012😂 got my fletch back which was exciting.

This post was edited by Werld on Jul 22 2020 10:43am

again i dont care about the rules very much even if you were allowed raven at 450 cr id still duel knowing i have to play even more perfect than i already have to theoretically if i played perfect none of you could beat cold sorcs thats factoring blizz has the 1/50 chance of not missing while there are many small mechanical methods to 100% negate fireball im just not at that level yet

i think you should consider speccing for ice blast and not blizz damage, ice blast is 1000x more consistent in svs and is really very strong.



i'm guessing adapt had on at least some cold stack gear vs you so he probably wasn't at full dmg



let's compare gear sometime! or better yet test it out on d2ga, it should give you a good idea despite SoP/gspurs being impossible on d2ga. also, treks, will give you more hp overall than gspurs for fire/light matchup, but you lose the 10% frw of course

This post was edited by iceydicey on Jul 22 2020 10:44am

Yeah i use treks on my vs fire/light build currently. But i cant use the 15str on the treks at all because of my vs cold boots having no str at the moment. So that’ll guarantee me another 30 life pre bo which is good. Let alone the jewels i can change out for jah’s or p rubys depending on what is better in the situation because of the extra 10fhr i can build around as well. And another few levels gets me in a pretty solid spot. Can probably reach close to the 3.9k area.

i am iceblast based 9k ib atm 11k blizz after i change to a 3cold 3 mastery 3 blizz 20 fcr id get about 600 more damage 10% more peirce vs fire which would allow me to hit about 850-900 ib vs 450 cr that travels at snail speed. allowing us to 4-5 hit a sorc that needs 7 to kill us at the same level remmeber cold sorcs are practically melee at that point because how easy it is to teleport away with 200 or walk south due to how slow ib works