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#9161
May 6 2012 11:32pm
Quote (F150 @ May 7 2012 01:27am)
This is true since imo svs should be a little bit fairer for cold sorcs
Me and Nick tested me in Hotspurs vs his fber was close duels very fun ones too
a Cold Sorc has NO chance against a 400 stack Fber with the old rules, might as well if you throw 20/11s in the mix it just wont happen thats why theres no cold sorcs on ladder
a Fber with 400+ stack 200 fcr with all Jahs is just ridiculous and doable with 20/11s


every build is doable. dont act as if it is impossible to hit 435 cres using all jah runes.

The 1 item of stack rule was done away with a while ago.

Quote (havok420 @ May 7 2012 01:29am)
lol current ladder rankings


1. MajSlayer / Withdraw / Squirtle (Vita Fire)
2. Gemmd / MindLoop / Adict (Vita Fire)
3. TheBroodwich / TheBroodwich. / Zapdos (Vita Light)
4. scboi / Sorceress. / sor (Vita Fire)
5. fbcaptain34 / svs / Egwene (Vita Fire)
6. F150 / Kiss / Akara (ES Fire)
7. GoHuskers / Pelini / MangSong (Vita Light)
8. Garciaparra / Batman2 / Youkilis (Vita Light)
9. JKing / JKing / Subdue (Vita Light)
10. Drogba_a / Apocalypse_99 / Colstice (Vita Cold)
11. meow / Crunchybacon / Crave (Vita FB)
12. fuzzybunz4u / fuzzybunz4u / Formation (Vita Fire)
13. ioddles / GooG67 / Dumbslut (Vita Fire) *
14. Krip / sweedishfish. / SvsIsMyLife / (Vita FB)
15. heyajsp / Juniper / HellzPkerz (Vita Light)
16. Danxta / Danx. / Warts (Vita Cold)
17. drunken_tiger / Withdraw / Wartortle (Vita Light)
18. Cobain / Lords / Yolandi (Vita Fire)
19. Pimpin_Nation / X-Men. / Mystique (Vita Light)

so with the new rules there giving more of an advantage to vita.......makes sense....


Not at all.
Especially since its a vita sorc who uses Bmanas and es.
His sorc has a higher advantage then a 105 vita has.


This post was edited by Garciaparra on May 6 2012 11:34pm
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#9162
May 6 2012 11:38pm
Quote (Garciaparra @ May 7 2012 12:32am)
every build is doable.  dont act as if it is impossible to hit 435 cres using all jah runes.

The 1 item of stack rule was done away with a while ago.



Not at all.
Especially since its a vita sorc who uses Bmanas and es.
His sorc has a higher advantage then a 105 vita has.


imo we have a vote.
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#9163
May 6 2012 11:40pm
Quote (Garciaparra @ May 7 2012 01:32am)
every build is doable.  dont act as if it is impossible to hit 435 cres using all jah runes.

The 1 item of stack rule was done away with a while ago.



Not at all.
Especially since its a vita sorc who uses Bmanas and es.
His sorc has a higher advantage then a 105 vita has.


x10 20/11 Colds - 110
Torch/Anni - 40
Trangs - 30
Circlet (JahJah) - 20
Fletch - 23
Vmagi (Jah) - 35
Rings - 30 Per
Gspurs - 45
Hoto - 40
Spirit shield - 35

thats well over 435 actually :lol:
and totally bm


Heres my Idea

Lower Everything if your gonna lower it for Es Sorcs
No % res No Sorb and lower the cold stack For ANYONE

This post was edited by F150 on May 6 2012 11:42pm
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#9164
May 6 2012 11:41pm
Quote (Gemmd @ May 7 2012 01:38am)
imo we have a vote.


go ahead.

reguardless im going to continue to use 20-11's since my build it's a must.

as far as es rule goes. It's either gonna be no max res at all or we can go this route, IF your using Bmanas you cant use any + max or sorb / if using 20/17's you may use 10% ect.
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#9165
May 6 2012 11:41pm
I don't think the 20/11's are necessary to allow, cold sorcs already have enough of a disadvantage.

IMO, no absorb should be allowed on an ES sorc. It's just not fair with the ability to regenerate so much mana, and especially as was mentioned above you can essentially make a vita sorc with bmanas that tanks an absurd amount
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#9166
May 6 2012 11:52pm
Quote (Gemmd @ May 7 2012 01:27am)
not at all. tat is why there is a overly defensive rule


hard to enforce and make calls.

also the mitigation rule is dumb. es sorcs are banned from having max res/sorb on other ladders other than svs.

i believe skibum held #1 as 105 esfb for a bit without max res or sorb?

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#9167
May 7 2012 12:08am
Quote (F150 @ May 6 2012 10:27pm)
This is true since imo svs should be a little bit fairer for cold sorcs
Me and Nick tested me in Hotspurs vs his fber was close duels very fun ones too
a Cold Sorc has NO chance against a 400 stack Fber with the old rules, might as well if you throw 20/11s in the mix it just wont happen thats why theres no cold sorcs on ladder
a Fber with 400+ stack 200 fcr with all Jahs is just ridiculous and doable with 20/11s


i agree with this 100% vs light its meh but vs a 200 fber cold has no leg to stand a bad fb can out tank a good cold and win 75% of the time (not to say im a good cold lol) unless we play super l8z and that is no fun for any1 i love to play as aggressive as possible but when its 10 ice blasts from my 105 vs 5 fbs from a 200 due to cold stack there isnt much sport in trying to get the stomp i feel it encourages l8ziness.
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#9168
May 7 2012 12:39am
svs/gm

Practice :)
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#9169
May 7 2012 01:35am
Quote (MajSlayer @ May 7 2012 12:52am)
hard to enforce and make calls.

also the mitigation rule is dumb. es sorcs are banned from having max res/sorb on other ladders other than svs.

i believe skibum held #1 as 105 esfb for a bit without max res or sorb?


yes he did

and why cant es sorcs use 80 res anymore? as long as they dont 40 rep + l8z around they need the help...
and yes i know what build F150 is using, i can see the 3k/3k in the screenshots, tyler's is the same but better

and thank god on the sc's, i'm still not going to, but it really does help ppl on a lower budget to be able to switch cheap sc's and not have to buy 18-19/5's
please dont cry its not fair to blizzys, theyre horrible 1v1 chars anyway
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#9170
May 7 2012 01:50am
1) Imo there should be a vote if you want to change rules, since some people might not like it.
2) 10x 20/11's defeat the purpose of svs, if u just stack the res and just get mass life gear then everyone has the same thing, richer ppl = more life and win... keeping the 10x xx/5's scs allows ppl to use gear with res instead of life, cold sorces will be at a major disadvantage on this one ( they are some what alrdy )
3) I dont c y es sorces cant use the max res in the migration set up, my es sorc was gonna be pro with it but i dont play much and selling all my chars except Ines... they tank a little more, but once the es is off they get fhr HARD and very hard to recover from that.

Quote (Garciaparra @ May 7 2012 05:41am)
go ahead.

reguardless im going to continue to use 20-11's since my build it's a must.

as far as es rule goes. It's either gonna be no max res at all or we can go this route, IF your using Bmanas you cant use any + max or sorb / if using 20/17's you may use 10% ect.


ppl just use unperm 15/70's so that realy wont do anything, as i stated b4 if u stomp them and take out there mana ( get rid of there es ) they are fhr hard

This post was edited by pro_baby on May 7 2012 01:51am
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