Quote (xanadue @ 3 Dec 2021 08:25)

So much drama about warmth and es. Your idea of balance is skewed - allowing prebuff is stupid. 95% ES is just troll (this coming from a long time es player). Allow cube prebuff only so ES sorcs sit at 80% and your problem is solved.

Quote (Ethreain @ Dec 3 2021 05:22pm)

I am not sure based on our post what kind of long time es player you are or what builds are you familiar with, but here is some background information:
In standard equipment I am 94% es sorc (not 95) without precast, precast was already banned in previous tourney. Es FIRE and COLD sorcs might sit around 80% with cube prebuff, but I am not sure why would anyone do that or why is anything else than 90%+ es considered as an optimal build for a sorc player. What I asume happened is that the admins tried to somehwat mend the discriminatory rule against warmth with allowing precast. It doesn't change much just gives me +20% dmg, maybe 25%, not sure how much exactly, I havent reskilled yet. In general I consider es fire a strong character, possibly the strongest, but opinions vary too much on this, as you u can see mostly NA ppl say it loses against almost everything other than nec.

In general what I tested is without warmth only by shooting fireballs my mana goes down. I am literally losing mana only by attacking as an es sorc. So that means in some matchups even if I don't get hit, not even once, I have to spend some part of the duel by doing not much else than admiring the beautiful landscape of blood moor and waiting for my mana to go back up. This is without occasionally sending down a meteor. With meteor its even worse.

An unintended consequence that I don't see discussed is that I cannot skill hydra, because warmth is a prerequisite. I had some success against zons (my worst matchup) by locking them down with hydra but even that is impossible now. There are also some reports that strafe is changed in the yesterday's patch, so the only option right now is to fight them from a distance. https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=90617640&f=147&p=596404267

I have read some posts hinting that the previous win is attributed to character choice, rather than individual skill.
Not short term plan, but later I want to build other characters as well. In the next ladder (if it ever happens :D) I plan to build some kind of hybrid paladin, for now I just stick to my lovely sorc and migrate to NA tourneys if situation worsens here even more.
In addition I am happy to play some friendly duels with other sorcs players here, preferably fire, against other players who don't want to join ^jarzel , or possibly the admins of the tourney as well if they can get their hands on a sorc character.
SVS is actually my favourite matchup but didn't play it much other than some tal sorcs in pubs (lól) and I think I did like 3 matches with ^paweljonk when we met in public duel game by chance. :rofl:

Quote (Ethreain @ 3 Dec 2021 17:22)

I am not sure based on our post what kind of long time es player you are or what builds are you familiar with, but here is some background information:
In standard equipment I am 94% es sorc (not 95) without precast, precast was already banned in previous tourney. Es FIRE and COLD sorcs might sit around 80% with cube prebuff, but I am not sure why would anyone do that or why is anything else than 90%+ es considered as an optimal build for a sorc player. What I asume happened is that the admins tried to somehwat mend the discriminatory rule against warmth with allowing precast. It doesn't change much just gives me +20% dmg, maybe 25%, not sure how much exactly, I havent reskilled yet. In general I consider es fire a strong character, possibly the strongest, but opinions vary too much on this, as you u can see mostly NA ppl say it loses against almost everything other than nec.

In general what I tested is without warmth only by shooting fireballs my mana goes down. I am literally losing mana only by attacking as an es sorc. So that means in some matchups even if I don't get hit, not even once, I have to spend some part of the duel by doing not much else than admiring the beautiful landscape of blood moor and waiting for my mana to go back up. This is without occasionally sending down a meteor. With meteor its even worse.

An unintended consequence that I don't see discussed is that I cannot skill hydra, because warmth is a prerequisite. I had some success against zons (my worst matchup) by locking them down with hydra but even that is impossible now. There are also some reports that strafe is changed in the yesterday's patch, so the only option right now is to fight them from a distance. https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=90617640&f=147&p=596404267

I have read some posts hinting that the previous win is attributed to character choice, rather than individual skill.
Not short term plan, but later I want to build other characters as well. In the next ladder (if it ever happens :D) I plan to build some kind of hybrid paladin, for now I just stick to my lovely sorc and migrate to NA tourneys if situation worsens here even more.
In addition I am happy to play some friendly duels with other sorcs players here, preferably fire, against other players who don't want to join ^jarzel , or possibly the admins of the tourney as well if they can get their hands on a sorc character.
SVS is actually my favourite matchup but didn't play it much other than some tal sorcs in pubs (lól) and I think I did like 3 matches with ^paweljonk when we met in public duel game by chance. :rofl:

Quote (Ethreain @ Dec 3 2021 05:22pm)

I am not sure based on our post what kind of long time es player you are or what builds are you familiar with, but here is some background information:
In standard equipment I am 94% es sorc (not 95) without precast, precast was already banned in previous tourney. Es FIRE and COLD sorcs might sit around 80% with cube prebuff, but I am not sure why would anyone do that or why is anything else than 90%+ es considered as an optimal build for a sorc player. What I asume happened is that the admins tried to somehwat mend the discriminatory rule against warmth with allowing precast. It doesn't change much just gives me +20% dmg, maybe 25%, not sure how much exactly, I havent reskilled yet. In general I consider es fire a strong character, possibly the strongest, but opinions vary too much on this, as you u can see mostly NA ppl say it loses against almost everything other than nec.

In general what I tested is without warmth only by shooting fireballs my mana goes down. I am literally losing mana only by attacking as an es sorc. So that means in some matchups even if I don't get hit, not even once, I have to spend some part of the duel by doing not much else than admiring the beautiful landscape of blood moor and waiting for my mana to go back up. This is without occasionally sending down a meteor. With meteor its even worse.

An unintended consequence that I don't see discussed is that I cannot skill hydra, because warmth is a prerequisite. I had some success against zons (my worst matchup) by locking them down with hydra but even that is impossible now. There are also some reports that strafe is changed in the yesterday's patch, so the only option right now is to fight them from a distance. https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=90617640&f=147&p=596404267

I have read some posts hinting that the previous win is attributed to character choice, rather than individual skill.
Not short term plan, but later I want to build other characters as well. In the next ladder (if it ever happens :D) I plan to build some kind of hybrid paladin, for now I just stick to my lovely sorc and migrate to NA tourneys if situation worsens here even more.
In addition I am happy to play some friendly duels with other sorcs players here, preferably fire, against other players who don't want to join ^jarzel , or possibly the admins of the tourney as well if they can get their hands on a sorc character.
SVS is actually my favourite matchup but didn't play it much other than some tal sorcs in pubs (lól) and I think I did like 3 matches with ^paweljonk when we met in public duel game by chance. :rofl:

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Quote (desk8 @ 3 Dec 2021 23:29)

RvR


Sorry to everyone, after long discussion we finally give up on the changes we made for the sorc

so

- warmth is back for all sorc

- precast is banned


^paweljonk ^Ethreain ^Nephillimmv2

Quote (Ethreain @ Dec 3 2021 11:32pm)

Thats good
Now I don't have to use the insight battle staff from cube that I prepared (and I guess it was probably forgotten to ban it) :rofl: