Quote (mikeeeee @ Sep 13 2011 04:24pm)

every smiter has hf not every smiter has clegs o.o so clegs are way more bm then *hf* could
and hybirds should be bm if hf is bm in this tounrmant, cb makes the smite alot stronger..

Quote (Numba1balla @ Sep 13 2011 04:54pm)

No1st off ur doj'N my whole point Y its considered bm and Y its handicap to "certain" types of smiters , I.e. Zerk smiter/vt  disadvantage

hf slows just like clegs so Y isnt clegs allowed buy urs saying hf should be ?  Both should be banned . n e item/skill that slows the attack speed of a char = Bm    U cant go say 1 thang is bm and allow something that does same effect ~

and smiters thinks hf is bm ~ so do i and more than half of the rest of the smiters~


e/ scott u can try to make it seem like more ppl what this but the simple fact of the matter it = bm




Bolded main area u need to read scott ~

Quote (Smiters @ Sep 13 2011 04:57pm)

Once again there is no difference  from a "Aura Skill" and "Cleg" they are both the same and anyone can use em lol

Quote (ggssti @ Sep 13 2011 05:03pm)

Dodging your point? I just made a gigantic post explaining why your wrong...

Zerk has the advantage of not needed mb and range.
Hf is a slow but it's not constant, it come's with correct timing, and takes skill, clegs are a constant effect.

You seem to be misunderstanding Justin, he wants BOTH to be allowed, which I have no problem with, Im just saying it would take out variety in glove choice.

I'm telling you why it's not bm but all your saying is "welll some guys said its bm so instead of thinking for myself I'll just follow them"

once again just because some people on west made a rule for zons/barbs/zeal/etc that doesn't mean it should govern smiters. Smiters are both able to use the skill.

You can't just lump smiters in with the rest of the classes when it comes to pk rules, they are very different.

Now can you actually come up with a reason why it should be bm instead of saying "well its bm cause they say so" ??

Quote (Smiters @ Sep 13 2011 04:57pm)

Once again there is no difference  from a "Aura Skill" and "Cleg" they are both the same and anyone can use em lol

Edit: I have a simple idea to fix this annoying ass problem.

There will be two Ranks

One List: GM NO Hf

Second List: Hf Allowed

(GoD Hybrid Included in both)

If not, I will make this my self I planned to months ago, but I am just busy a lot.

Quote (ggssti @ Sep 13 2011 05:05pm)

The difference is hf takes skill to time and clegs doesn't. I don't get how you don't understand this.

You can't make a tourney looking for the best smiters and then handicap them.

Quote (Numba1balla @ Sep 13 2011 05:10pm)

no its not cause iam hoping on the bandwagon , i believe its bm plain and simple ~

And its its bm  , anythang that will slow down a attack speed , considered bm in anytype of melee turney , and when do u no need MB ? with a zerk ?? Lol yes it has its reach but it also has a slower attack and using hf will make all zerk smiters not even join this turney


I bolded y its bm ~

Quote (ggssti @ Sep 13 2011 06:19pm)

Can't log in atm, pm dac, he has excel sheets and everything that explain cb.



But see that's a major change, your talking double which would be about 1600 dmg per hit as opposed to my 800dmg per hit with the 20% possibily of adding an extra 250-300 dmg (over the course of the entire duel)

but honestly if that happened and he had twice the dmg I would just play twice as good as him.

Quote (ggssti @ Sep 13 2011 05:13pm)

oh god you are dumb.

What your saying is: anything that slows down ias is considered bm in a melee tourney.

That is not a reason as to why it should be bm.

Do you not understand?

It's like if you told a little kid he wasn't allowed to have cookies after 8:00pm and he said why then you replied with "because your not allowed to have cookies after 8:00pm"

It's not a reason, you are just restating the rule.




In regards to the zerk advantage.

What if a vt using pb that had 5khp and 0%cb went vs a zerk smiter with 5.4k hp and 35% cb? is that fair without hf? No, because he has more hp, more chance to cb, and quite possibly more overall smite dmg if the vt isnt 20/20/20. Why shouldn't the vt be allowed to slow him?