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Jul 8 2013 03:13am
Quote (Hepzibah @ Jul 8 2013 04:03am)
I honestly think this has just never come up before on the ladder, and because it apparently slipped earlier on its being okayed now.

Phoenix is a CTC item which wields procs and skills from other classes.

Why was this allowed in the first place?  It broke fundamental rules right off the bat.  And with good reason.  The effects the shield has is unfair in amapk...  It promotes jav play, it procs ctc from other classes, it has unbalanced dmg when/if tried to compete with, and it just so happens the procs it has are overtime fire based ground skills, and it makes sure youre taking more of that damage to boot, while absorbing fire//light.. <-- That causes frw/game desync when run over, and multiplies the problem when some of us are running 150+frw on bowside.  The item should of never been okay, Pedro just never questioned its use?  idk..

Just doesn't make sense why its been ignored.  :/


some ctc procs REALLY fuck with the mechanics. frozen armor, 5% amp. those are the two major ones imo. firestorm, from my point of view, has a trivial effect that doesn't give one player an advantage over the other.

at this point, we've all read your argument and i think we all understand it. we've simply agreed as a majority that phoenix should be allowed. we understand that you wish it to be otherwise. i have found myself in similar situations where i had to change either my play-style, gear or whatever it is that is in disagreement with the zon committee.

this will be my last post with respect to the phoenix issue. again, i don't even use phoenix so consider my input unbiased.
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some ctc procs REALLY fuck with the mechanics.  frozen armor, 5% amp.  those are the two major ones imo.  firestorm, from my point of view, has a trivial effect that doesn't give one player an advantage over the other.

at this point, we've all read your argument and i think we all understand it.  we've simply agreed as a majority that phoenix should be allowed.  we understand that you wish it to be otherwise.  i have found myself in similar situations where i had to change either my play-style, gear or whatever it is that is in disagreement with the zon committee.

this will be my last post with respect to the phoenix issue.  again, i don't even use phoenix so consider my input unbiased.



consider it invalid you mean?

Did he just drop the ruling on this single-handedly?

lol who is this guy. :X

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can i be #14?

Virtuosity / jordang / *jordang


Is this your first post in amapk?

you've said all you need to say about it man, thanks for the input. you don't need to argue with me here, i'm stating why this should be banned for the record.. not for your consent.

This post was edited by Hepzibah on Jul 8 2013 03:54am
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Jul 8 2013 07:24am
I seem to recall jer admitting you guys just charge each other with javs.

Thus I can understand why you would allow such an idiotic item as phoenix.
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Jul 8 2013 07:38am
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I seem to recall jer admitting you guys just charge each other with javs.

Thus I can understand why you would allow such an idiotic item as phoenix.


lol one thing i don't recall is us needing random, outside, uninformed opinions. sorry, i just couldn't figure out why you'd be typing shit out in this thread.

dissing zvz gameplay w/o actually zvzing within the community... that's smart.

all we gotta do is run at each other with javs. it's that simple. ~~

goddammit why am i responding to this.
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Quote (Airwaves @ 8 Jul 2013 08:24)
I seem to recall jer admitting you guys just charge each other with javs.

Thus I can understand why you would allow such an idiotic item as phoenix.


Cracker I was looking on the 2009 zvz ladder to see when you first brought this up.
You allowed it fool. :P
Now I'm having to clean the shit up. T.T
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Jul 8 2013 07:46am
lol sry i've been acting like a psycho lately

Hep and i got off to a rough start through this thread but we zvz'd till the cows came home and became friends.
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Jul 8 2013 08:15am
Quote (Hepzibah @ Jul 8 2013 12:20am)
Ehh.. the shield makes fire procs from torch extra deadly.. And as you know sitting in those already does a lot of damage..
If you have tested the shield you would of noticed the timer delay after fs procs was far less then two seconds man.  -- You argue that its longer, but its not.  So to me, you honestly haven't done any research. 
-- The shield adds to max light res
-- it adds to max fire res
-- When used, its almost guaranteed to support more jav play.. which we try not to do to begin with.
--Procs have been banned aside from whatever comes up on your kb gloves and torches
-- the redemption makes it so you doubley have to clear the moor.
Again... I'm not questioning your knowledge on the game in general, boyer, but in actual Zon VS Zon "Competition" as you would put.  I Don't think I've ever seen you come remotely close to entering the top 5 on this ladder.. in fact I remember you removing yourself as to save embarresment for bringing in a zva...  I was also at one point on the mod list here, maybe if I was put back on my opinion would matter more?
Regardless of what Sutton brought to duel, I expected him to win.  He didn't win by a lot.  I didn't question his shield after the duel was over, and the loss was taken, but after it had sent me flying halfway across the screen due to fs/torch procs from being hit by a javlin.
You're going to have to come up with a better argument, or defense.. whatever you're doing.



Quote (Hepzibah @ Jul 8 2013 05:52am)
consider it invalid you mean?
Did he just drop the ruling on this single-handedly?
lol who is this guy.  :X
Is this your first post in amapk?
you've said all you need to say about it man, thanks for the input.  you don't need to argue with me here, i'm stating why this should be banned for the record.. not for your consent.


Insulting everyone is really unnecessary


I'll PM Hayz and we'll see if Phoenix 400% works like Swordback on switch with GA
I'll use my Diamond Bow with it, this will give good AVG consistent results
Even if it does work, I see no reason why it should be considered any different than Swordback OW proc

Also about Jav skills, ect.. ect..
A lot has changed since these original rules were written and you have to understand this
Light Bolt/Light Fury/Jab play very important roles in ZvZ nowadays
Honestly without the option to form a more defensive bower or a more offensive Jabber, I'd think it was boring just slinging GA and Multi the entire duel
It's always good to have versamilitude in pvp, in any game

That's my opinion

This post was edited by TSBoyer on Jul 8 2013 08:19am
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Insulting everyone is really unnecessary


I'll PM Hayz and we'll see if Phoenix 400% works like Swordback on switch with GA
I'll use my Diamond Bow with it, this will give good AVG consistent results


Do that I'm gonna test jav side stuff
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