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Jul 7 2013 11:17pm
Like you said, ive never had a problem with it either. Cutton hardly jav throws when we duel, its either down to our skin with no rows or lag switch delays.

I have 45 fire res now, which is never a problem. I dodge the torches firestorm easy, if you cant dodge that little one, then idk lol.

Its the redemption that erks me more than anything, and maybe the ed, does it apply to your ga once you shoot and switch?
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Jul 7 2013 11:29pm
Quote (Hepzibah @ Jul 8 2013 12:02am)
then it promotes more l8z play....  youre just proving my point.

e/  Refer to post #1 on this thread... Read the rules.. then read what the shield does.

ZvZ Rules
- Faith bows are allowed.
- Fortitude armors are banned.
- No non-amazon skills (Enchant, BO, Teleport, Werebear, etc).
- No cube in inventory.
- No chance to cast % curses/skills (Exceptions include: torch, default spawn mods from crafts).
- No slow target (Nosferatu's Coil is Banned).
- No poison dmg (Plague javelin, charms, etc).
- Regular throw, Jab, Lightning Fury and Bolt are allowed but don't abuse it (Javazons are not allowed).
- Multi is allowed but don't abuse it (keep the 3-volley rule in mind).
- Inventory checks can be requested at anytime during a duel.
- Maximum Replenish Life is 30.
- Open wounds is limited to 75%.
- Slow missiles is NOT allowed.
- Inner sight is allowed.
- Do not leave blood moor.
- Do not Prebuff.
- Do not Prespam.
- Do not use mercs.
- Change sides on map every duel if agreed upon.
- You are not allowed to cross the bridge if a bridge is present.
- Playing overly defensive, Circling around walls/Constantly staying near a bridge/house etc, isn't GM.
- Halting the duel to buy more arrows is allowed if agreed upon.
- Duels take place in Nightmare, map must be cleaned before the match starts


not sure how kiting backwards is l8z. I thought l8z was more along the lines of running away off of your opponent's minimap and delaying the duel to rep. i've actually never been accused of l8z myself, so i can safely say that kiting away from an approaching opponent isn't necessarily l8z.

also, arguing technicalities related to the orig rules (which are not exhaustive) seems pretty irrelevant when we have a conference of players actively discussing the matter.

my vote is in. i'm pro phoenix. officially.

would be nice to see some closure on this given that the committee is unanimous aside from one player.

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Quote (HayzBaby @ Jul 8 2013 12:17am)


and maybe the ed, does it apply to your ga once you shoot and switch?


we should test this sometime in the next couple days, yo.

This post was edited by jordang on Jul 7 2013 11:30pm
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Jul 7 2013 11:40pm
I am a firm believer in phoenix. simply because the requirements (particularly mb) are ridiculous.

i also may need an extension on my duel w/ tsboyer, in the midst of moving and will be very short on time

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Jul 8 2013 12:24am
yeah l8z is running away to rep, abusing houses, running in a circle around a box

the desync that happened that i noticed, was on both sides, he jumped on my screen at the same time firestorm proc'd. i think it was just random bnet spike. shit happens in an old game with old netcode

i usually make sure redemption picks up every mob in moor to reduce lag, i pick up and drink every potion before the match, and then i use the /nopickup command to make the ground 100% clean

i'm not sure if the 400% ed procs bowside, i dont think it does or i would notice a lot more 1shots or 2shot kills. I use it because jab and fury will have 400% dmg pushing it to 4.3k fury and 3.8k jab. i never really gave much credit to any other stat on it, otherwise i'd use double uppd swordback
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Jul 8 2013 12:30am
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yeah l8z is running away to rep, abusing houses, running in a circle around a box

the desync that happened that i noticed, was on both sides, he jumped on my screen at the same time firestorm proc'd.  i think it was just random bnet spike.  shit happens in an old game with old netcode

i usually make sure redemption picks up every mob in moor to reduce lag, i pick up and drink every potion before the match, and then i use the /nopickup command  to make the ground 100% clean

i'm not sure if the 400% ed procs bowside, i dont think it does or i would notice a lot more 1shots or 2shot kills.  I use it because jab and fury will have 400% dmg pushing it to 4.3k fury and 3.8k jab.  i never really gave much credit to any other stat on it, otherwise i'd use double uppd swordback


i've never perceived problems related to firestorm proc and sync. I get 350 frames per second on this graphics card and things stay pretty smooth when firestorm procs for me.

Hepzibah, how is your computer's graphic performance in terms of frames/sec? i could imagine the animation fucking with your framerate but only on an older graphics card.

my socket am3 motherboard gets 350fps with it's integrated graphics lol. (Radeon 3000)
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Jul 8 2013 12:46am
Quote (jordang @ Jul 8 2013 12:30am)
i've never perceived problems related to firestorm proc and sync.  I get 350 frames per second on this graphics card and things stay pretty smooth when firestorm procs for me.

Hepzibah, how is your computer's graphic performance in terms of frames/sec?  i could imagine the animation fucking with your framerate but only on an older graphics card.

my socket am3 motherboard gets 350fps with it's integrated graphics lol.  (Radeon 3000)


it was server desync, not game freeze. he said he avg 400fps
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Jul 8 2013 12:59am
Quote (jordang @ Jul 8 2013 01:30am)
i've never perceived problems related to firestorm proc and sync.  I get 350 frames per second on this graphics card and things stay pretty smooth when firestorm procs for me.

Hepzibah, how is your computer's graphic performance in terms of frames/sec?  i could imagine the animation fucking with your framerate but only on an older graphics card.

my socket am3 motherboard gets 350fps with it's integrated graphics lol.  (Radeon 3000)


I posted early that I sit between 500-800 fps playing diablo2.

Its a combination of gamelag, and the fact that the game cant keep up with our frw that would cause a band when walking through torch//firestorm..

Idk how you can play d2 and never had this happen. :/
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Jul 8 2013 01:48am
Quote (Hepzibah @ Jul 8 2013 01:59am)
I posted early that I sit between 500-800 fps playing diablo2.

Its a combination of gamelag, and the fact that the game cant keep up with our frw that would cause a band when walking through torch//firestorm.. 

Idk how you can play d2 and never had this happen.  :/


All I know is that I personally have never had a perceivable problem with it.
I went from dueling on shitty wireless to having a direct ethernet connection into my fiber modem so everything in d2 feels smooth as a babies bottom to me lol.

my question is this:
if both the user of the phoenix and the other duelist experience the jolt from firestorm procs, who gains the advantage?

I guess it'd be the person who is more mindful of it. I don't get where any unfair advantage would come into play.

if we're already breaking the game by using torch and enough frw to synch, adding more chaos isn't necessarily a bad thing.
hell, if removing entropy was our goal, we'd have to ditch gmb for something more consistent. remove crit and doj too cuz it's all a roll of the dice.

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Jul 8 2013 02:43am
Quote (jordang @ Jul 8 2013 01:48am)
All I know is that I personally have never had a perceivable problem with it.
I went from dueling on shitty wireless to having a direct ethernet connection into my fiber modem so everything in d2 feels smooth as a babies bottom to me lol.

my question is this:
if both the user of the phoenix and the other duelist experience the jolt from firestorm procs, who gains the advantage?

I guess it'd be the person who is more mindful of it.  I don't get where any unfair advantage would come into play.

if we're already breaking the game by using torch and enough frw to synch, adding more chaos isn't necessarily a bad thing.
hell, if removing entropy was our goal, we'd have to ditch gmb for something more consistent.  remove crit and doj too cuz it's all a roll of the dice.


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Jul 8 2013 03:03am
I honestly think this has just never come up before on the ladder, and because it apparently slipped earlier on its being okayed now.

Phoenix is a CTC item which wields procs and skills from other classes.

Why was this allowed in the first place? It broke fundamental rules right off the bat. And with good reason. The effects the shield has is unfair in amapk... It promotes jav play, it procs ctc from other classes, it has unbalanced dmg when/if tried to compete with, and it just so happens the procs it has are overtime fire based ground skills, and it makes sure youre taking more of that damage to boot, while absorbing fire//light.. <-- That causes frw/game desync when run over, and multiplies the problem when some of us are running 150+frw on bowside. The item should of never been okay, Pedro just never questioned its use? idk..

Just doesn't make sense why its been ignored. :/

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