It's good that your not trying to be rude but you sir are fucking dumb. No one is using it because its BM on the ladder. Please keep your two cents to your self.

And who the fuck might you be? Probably no one that needs to be putting their two cents here to begin with.

But reply with your 10 year old tactics and your multi account, I'll put a good word in with the meds and you wont be posting here at all ever again

Is this how you act all the time, or just when your drunk? Because this is pathetic....

This post was edited by NVassist on Jul 7 2013 03:20am

6x Um Crystal Sword
2 Dex / 1-37 light SCs
All DEX with no FRW on charms

I can't wait till he joins




Let me elaborate my final input on Phoenix:

Firstly, I want to say to Hepzibah:
You made a couple comments earlier that made me feel like you doubted the experience behind my input
Not sure how closely you follow the S&G/D2 Discussion/World Ladders/East PvP forums but I have also always been very active on D2 and in the d2jsp pvp community
I may take breaks from actual competition here in this ladder (mainly because running a ZvA in this ladder is very difficult) but I never take breaks from ZvA play in general
I use a perfect Phoenix in my stash as a mainstream way to kill Necromancers and Druids and I am certainly aware of everything a Phoenix is capable of
In ZvZ though, I never use Phoenix because it requires an enormous amount of DEX to maintain max block
I have tried tried setups to maintain max block with Phoenix for ZvZ but in the end ~ This is no good for a ZvA setup all around (which my Amazon is centered around, priority #1)

I know that we are talking about this ZvZ ladder, not ZvA
But I have dueled ccsutton while he used Phoenix, he was using it the last time we dueled and I have used it in ZvZ myself, plenty
Here is why I don't feel that Phoenix has any clear advantage:
* It's FBR is bad ~ Anyone using Phoenix is twice as likely to get hit during a NL string of GA or being caught in a Multi Field
* It requires much more DEX to maintain max block = less life value
* Unlike a Torch, the Firestorm proc on Phoenix actually causes a short 2 second skill cool-down when throwing <- This is mainly the balancing factor in my opinion

When you throw and proc with Phoenix, you cannot throw again for another 2 seconds
You said that the fire proc was heavy damage while he held Phoenix out (due to the -44% fire on Phoenix)
But in my opinion, this is fair trade off for taking the risk of procing and having your throws disabled


Also further in to the Fire Res:
You had mentioned that you and ccsutton were both playing at around 40 Fire Res
I know it's ZvZ and everything but I mean come on, it's played on Nightmare dif
-> Get more Fire Res


Redemption Aura:
If there was a reason to ban Phoenix, this would be it
Bodies are buggy and I have also seen dead fallen laying in corners for hours when they shouldn't have been
It's not that anyone is intending on abusing this, it just happens when you aren't expecting it


All in all to sum it up:
Phoenix (much like Swordback) grants increased power that comes with a risk in defensive capabilities
If you're a keen enough player to utilize and be rewarded by this, I see no reason why it should be banned other than the Redemption aura


My suggestion for new rule is -> Phoenix is allowed if both parties agree upon it's use
I feel this is fair

This post was edited by TSBoyer on Jul 7 2013 06:17am

I'll be on tonight to duel Sutton and to figure out all this Phoenix shit.

You have completely missed the point.

The shield is disruptive. It causes rubber banding due to the firestorm
Procs

I also dont think you read my post//bnet description. It doesnt gave a 2 second cooldown, as dar as i know its a .5 and the girestorm wikiif you read it says so there..

Im not questioning your ability to duel, or your knowledge on general game mechanics, however i question if you have ever really dueled a good zon with a phoenix.. Or maybe your zon just couldnt stack up to sutton to begin with.

The shield causes major game bugs, and procs hit frames so forces rubber banding. The redemption is redundant and to HAVE TO make sure the moor is doubley cleared, is assfucking backwords.

The first page rules out ctc items. Why has this shield been allowed for so long?

This is stupidty imo. Go test it, in zvz, then come back and lmk.

And another thing... Are you fucking kidding me boyer? More fire res? You honestly have very little zvz experience.. Im going to go out on a limb and guess 90% of us arent fr capped in nightmare.

This post was edited by Hepzibah on Jul 7 2013 01:56pm

Reread post 8722.

The last paragraph.

Dont be so sure about that cast delay.

I wouldnt be so sure about anything said in this thread lately. :/

guru won 5-1. Gds sir

still working on my d2/win8 issues. i keep getting "please insert the disk labeled "expansion" into the cd drive."

i am using win8's built-in .iso mounter (right click, mount)

i have tried power iso. it sucked a fat dick. idk if they've adapted it for win8 or what.

i'm going to grab my orig disk from my mom's place when she gets back in town lol. (3 weeks)

i guess i could also try burning the .iso but i'd need a blank disk.

tldr: lookin' to get d2 running on win8 in the next 36 hours. I am loving win8 too much to switch my desktop back but i have several machines that i could try running d2 on lawl.