heres the thoughts

west is retarded.. oak shouldnt be bm but it is cuz they like to be cookie cutter 0fcr/5k+life jstod users and want to own any real gear'd vt that only has 4.5k life and spirit smtie damage

Just wanted to point out something i saw. All pkers i play with tpk(nondruids) use oak. GM also.

holy freeze shouldnt be bm either(at least vsing smiters and vts) jsut learn how to use tele instead of being in range cuz of charge all the time

This post was edited by Prominence on Jul 19 2014 12:18am

all the main builds are effective in svs, youve got it wrong. yeah we've got more life and damage but you chose tele/frw/fcr, which is just as viable if you use your strengths to your advantage

imo the main reason oaks not allowed is because it gives you stack.. a huge advantage

This post was edited by RAZORIZEDBALGAG on Jul 19 2014 02:23am

1 minion is not an advantage and thats because a proper vs all build uses fcr .. unless u intend to duel sloths

/and jstod 5k+lifers have like a 2-3 smite lead in terms of damage over time

This post was edited by Prominence on Jul 19 2014 02:46am

2 cents from me:

You can beat hybrid users paladins with fcr build, without oak. It's a matter of skill/practice.

and if both are on equal skill level or close.. esp when the higher lvl one can jsut shift smite/foh and win

not the case here

This



You're complaining we have more life when that "1 minion" would give you much more then any FoC smiter

all v.ts dont need to be fcr with an oak its a choose in builds


Keep oak bm
and holy freeze to 1 ladder imo

This post was edited by WantLove on Jul 19 2014 09:08am

This isn't smite vs all tho ? This is smite vs smite and i agree with razor .


E/ rules will remain the same as they always have .

This post was edited by Numba1balla on Jul 19 2014 09:09am

not asking for a rule change i will be dueling with them in effect



'much more life' ? with oak i hit 5.3k which is jsut about what everyone here is hitting im sure lol