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Nov 10 2021 10:29pm
Quote (Arkontas @ Nov 10 2021 09:15pm)
I think hybrid sins are probably first just for the fact that they have WW to ignore stuns, a ranged instant spammable stun that they can kill with via traps, the ability to abuse the broken ias frames with bos, and clawblock. Like entering D2R, this class was the winner.

barbs with leap spam being an aoe, ww, and access to fanat is huge.

chargedins look solid due to charge and fanat. desync loss kind of sucked, but desync in a 1v1 wasn't ever really that dangerous vs someone that understood what the paladin was doing it was more a nightmare in like random FFA pubs or team fights- imo at least I'm open to people disagreeing but as a druid I had a lot of ways to deal with their desync if I knew they were doing it so I'm biased. all fpk classes can deal with it.

I think a bowzon using faith and exploiting the ias bug with fanat, and how they seem to not get dodgelocked anymore is something to keep an eye on.

With the druids, it's true that if they stunlock someone with a stomp with nados it is basically over, but the fact that GOOD sins (idc about the sins you kill in public duel games) were such a hard counter to them in D2L and theyre now BUFFED- by default that will never let druids get past them in ranking/tier. And then they lost TT to use against BvC where they would use the minion stack, without it it makes BvC a lot harder of a matchup and you can't just tell people to get good and TT if they bring up using max block to try and balance it out, they are kind of strong armed a lot harder into relying on that over actual skill to stack the zoo during leap spam. But it's true, I won't deny it- druid stomping someone and them not having WSG is basically death. However, being forced into a MB setup can potentially put the druid at more of a risk to being stunlocked due to the smaller HP pool they're working with now if they're scared enough of barbs to basically need to always use MB if they smell one of them lurking around. This being for team fights or ffa's obviously.

Necros.. I feel like necros are just an amazing class, but they really got hurt losing TT and WSG to turn around an ugly situation and attack out of it. They're still good, like what the f*** are you going to bring a fireball sorc? no. they're good it's just painful what happened.

Those are my thoughts on it all. I am in no way some god of PvP, but I have played a lot over the years on and off so it's not coming from someone completely clueless to pvp. So grain of salt with what I'm saying, but I would imagine it's pretty close to the mark.


the odd thing is that all these new "bugs" are being noticed when that is exactly what defined the meta of D2 LOD...the "bugs". I think that people need to move on and understand that this is a new game. use the new bugs and exploits to create a new balanced meta. I don't know if we will ever get the old sutff back but I do know what we have now.
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Nov 10 2021 10:53pm
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the odd thing is that all these new "bugs" are being noticed when that is exactly what defined the meta of D2 LOD...the "bugs". I think that people need to move on and understand that this is a new game. use the new bugs and exploits to create a new balanced meta. I don't know if we will ever get the old sutff back but I do know what we have now.


It's upsetting because I think for a lot of people those bugs were what really distinguished someone who was good. Like if you went into a pub match vs people that didn't know anything about wsg, tt, desync, etc like you would just D O M I N A T E

It's kind of like we're just missing a lot of tools that made the game fun. It's not different- it's just less and I personally don't like that.

I'm still going to play it, like I have a BvC and Spider waiting and ready to go for when prices are fair. I have my druid and necro leveled up, and am working on my bowzon atm. It's just.. yeah stuffs missing and I understand where you're coming from but I feel like it doesn't fully apply here.

It's like telling people they should just enjoy the new halo or call of duty, but they removed grenades or something.
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Nov 10 2021 10:58pm
there isn't less bugs, there are probably more haha. Your approach for dominating pubs by knowing the bugs still works for d2r bugs. the new bugs would be the new way to "dominate" pubs. We have no idea if the old bugs are going to come back. New halo's and call of duties CONSTANTLY change up the game to keep meta's fresh for each release haha.

I understand the old school viewpoint of hardcore D2 LOD players, but this isn't D2 LOD and people should stop pretending that it is. We are throttling a different experience to try and force it to be like the 20 year old one.

I would love to see conversations of people from when wsg, tt, desync, c/t, etc. were found. Do you think that people were not complaining like CRAZY when people were using these "exploits" at first?
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Nov 10 2021 11:07pm
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there isn't less bugs, there are probably more haha. Your approach for dominating pubs by knowing the bugs still works for d2r bugs. the new bugs would be the new way to "dominate" pubs. We have no idea if the old bugs are going to come back. New halo's and call of duties CONSTANTLY change up the game to keep meta's fresh for each release haha.

I understand the old school viewpoint of hardcore D2 LOD players, but this isn't D2 LOD and people should stop pretending that it is. We are throttling a different experience to try and force it to be like the 20 year old one.

I would love to see conversations of people from when wsg, tt, desync, c/t, etc. were found. Do you think that people were not complaining like CRAZY when people were using these "exploits" at first?


Well, in fairness I have played since diablo 1. I skipped diablo 2 and went back to 1, but since .08 i've played diablo 2 at minimum a few months every year or two.

I can't remember anyone ever complaining about WSG.

Sorry it's bugging me, but CT tele is still around ftr.

up till 1.10, PVP was basically white rings, ocy rings, hex charms, etc. It was zons and barbs stabbing each other for 3 minutes in blood moore, so we're going to just gloss past that.

1.10+ people did not know wtf was going on. That's when all the runewords came out and it was like "woah dude this guy can teleport" and people just didn't believe you because the internet was a pile of shiz back then and then you'd see someone actually teleport and crap yourself.

1.11 on PVP started to really start to get more refined. You started seeing more organized PVP and things like team fights, but back then it was a lot more paladins and bowzons, not as much FPK.

Fast forward a bit and FPK started becoming this really common thing. A lot less people were playing D2 at this point but the people sticking around were INVESTED in pvp. I honestly don't remember people bashing CT, TT, WSG, WSM, anything that you could do within the game itself. Howeveerrrrrr there was a lot of rules that would come and go. People saying no bone walls, people saying no bone prison- hell it was specific to realms. No charges, yada yada- lots of rules coming and going trying to balance the game.

There's always been I want to say the majority of players that were very against using hacks to PVP, but I feel like this is important because there 100% were games where everyone fully knew each other participant was hacking and it was expected. I feel like the fact that these games existed kind of helps to show how there was kind of a space for everyone if that makes sense?

Nobody ever was complaining about WSG, we all knew that it was basically a part of the game. It enabled pvp and let classes work.

But hey there's a lot of other vets around here, maybe they have something to add in. I only have the perspective of US West realms.
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Nov 10 2021 11:16pm
since no one has actually answered OP's question, pvp in d2r is like whoosh, bapbap, bzzz bzzz, boom
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Nov 10 2021 11:16pm
I have also played diablo since diablo 1, I was never a diehard pvp player by any means but I was there for all the major patches. None of this changes that things missing in d2r were bugs and exploits that nobody knows if they were even supposed to be there in the first place. That is fine, and always has been. That is how PVP grows for every game. That shouldn't be any different for d2r which like it or not is currently a different game.

1.11 was 4 years after initial release of D2. That means it took 4 years for PVP to really get into gear, so buckle up fella, its going to be a ride :)

I am just enjoying playing this game, it brings back so much memories but am also looking forward to the new ones to come.
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Nov 11 2021 01:10am
Quote (Steezish @ Nov 10 2021 09:16pm)
I have also played diablo since diablo 1, I was never a diehard pvp player by any means but I was there for all the major patches. None of this changes that things missing in d2r were bugs and exploits that nobody knows if they were even supposed to be there in the first place. That is fine, and always has been. That is how PVP grows for every game. That shouldn't be any different for d2r which like it or not is currently a different game.

1.11 was 4 years after initial release of D2. That means it took 4 years for PVP to really get into gear, so buckle up fella, its going to be a ride :)

I am just enjoying playing this game, it brings back so much memories but am also looking forward to the new ones to come.


yeah. ive got the barb vs caster (bvc) and ww/trap sin (spider or ghost) ready just waiting for prices.

at the end of the day, if stunlock becomes the new meta... ww or charge out with good fhr. is it a perfect solution- no not really but its sure as hell better off than nothing.
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Nov 11 2021 01:13am
Quote (Arkontas @ Nov 11 2021 12:10am)
yeah. ive got the barb vs caster (bvc) and ww/trap sin (spider or ghost) ready just waiting for prices.

at the end of the day, if stunlock becomes the new meta... ww or charge out with good fhr. is it a perfect solution- no not really but its sure as hell better off than nothing.


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Nov 11 2021 01:17am
Quote (Arkontas @ Nov 11 2021 02:10am)
yeah. ive got the barb vs caster (bvc) and ww/trap sin (spider or ghost) ready just waiting for prices.

at the end of the day, if stunlock becomes the new meta... ww or charge out with good fhr. is it a perfect solution- no not really but its sure as hell better off than nothing.


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Nov 11 2021 01:20am
bring back nightmare duels
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