Quote (acq18 @ Feb 5 2011 02:11am)

That is exactly how I thought the synergy worked.

So, assuming you have apowerful 8k hit with deadly strike.

8000 x 2 = 16000.

Conversion from 1 point into berserk yields the following damage distribution:

15840 physical / 160 magic

applying 1/6 pvp penalty...

2640 physical / ~27 magic

applying 50% DR...

1320 physical / ~ 27 magic : Total = 1347

Now, applying the same calculations with 2 points into the berserk...

Conversion dmg distribution:

15680 physical / 320 magic

applying 1/6 pvp penalty...

~ 2613 physical / ~53 magic

applying 50% DR...

~1307 physical / ~ 53 magic : Total = 1360

also note that 0 points into berserk would yield 1333 physical damage.

So just looking at the largest conc hits...

0 Berserk points = 1333 total dmg
1 Berserk point = 1347 total dmg
2 Berserk points = 1360 total dmg

We have roughly 13 or 14 dmg increase per point into berserk.

Nothing to get your panties in a bunch over, but just silly to allow one point while banning additional points.

Imo, for 13 additonal dmg per hit per additional point (and thats assuming HUGE hits), it would not be worth implementing a rule that will be difficult to enforce.

Quote (BACarnage @ Feb 5 2011 02:12am)

13-14 damage per point amounts to 260-280 points when berserk is maxed, meaning 260-280 free additional damage every time.
You say "Nothing to get your panties in a bunch over", I disagree. I went through this a few years ago when my own guild barbs started doing max berserk, which guaranteed them 400-500 damage hits at least. They could get consistent 1.5k hits w/o even using a fort. If some baba bm'd you like that you'd sing a differet tune here.
So, although there is no way to enforce this, whenever a barb does do 1.5k hits vs you using something like prudence, it should be a cause for an alarm.

Quote (BACarnage @ Feb 5 2011 07:12am)

13-14 damage per point amounts to 260-280 points when berserk is maxed, meaning 260-280 free additional damage every time.
You say "Nothing to get your panties in a bunch over", I disagree. I went through this a few years ago when my own guild barbs started doing max berserk, which guaranteed them 400-500 damage hits at least. They could get consistent 1.5k hits w/o even using a fort. If some baba bm'd you like that you'd sing a differet tune here.
So, although there is no way to enforce this, whenever a barb does do 1.5k hits vs you using something like prudence, it should be a cause for an alarm.

Quote (acq18 @ Feb 5 2011 03:25am)

I had just initially thought that the 13 dmg per point wasn't worth the point elsewhere.

However, if you have tested it and have past experience with the issue, then I'll most certainly take your word for it.

Quote (BACarnage @ Feb 5 2011 03:28am)

Yep, 1 point isnt much at all to complain about, making it more worthwhile to add into bash or shout/iron skin. Even 2-3 points wouldn't make a noticable difference, its the high/max amount of berserk that does the difference.

Edit: Magic damage has no place in melee, it should be pure physical hand to hand combat (excluding some minor elemental damage from things like ravens and hl, which is generally accepted by everyone anyway). I'm glad to see this ladder looks down on berserk as bm beyond 1 base point, hopefully everyone can keep it gm.

Quote (jaydo111 @ Feb 5 2011 09:51am)

I have 0 points in zerk,  and doent  plan to, there s a place you can talk this  over,with out waistin space  http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=39504244&f=147