Again the no BP rule is not a buff to the zon specifically but a buff to zon comps - there is a difference!

The other important thing is that d2r is not the same game as legacy so yes, d2 knowledge of 23 years is valid but, in terms of adapting to d2r changes, there seems to be some stubbornness involved as well.

As I have edited my last post (pls read), this is your challenge thread so whatever u say goes but we don't think that these rules will be ideal when it comes to clan wars

This post was edited by Rosegarden on Apr 8 2023 04:29pm

@ Everyone in LLD
I think anyone who doesn't agree with something should present a rule change or alternative or reason for deleting.

I still can't see your point of view with regards to zon comps. You have bone wall, use it?
Bp is a skill for dueling teleporting chars in 1 v 1. Enabling this in tvt (when many chars can't teleport), is just silly.

Oh i know that they are two difference games, however the gameplay is very similar.

To be honest, you were well within your right to ask for s/s of cold stack, i just wanted to know why (when no duels have taken place).

To be honest, we aren't too bothered if they aren't favoured, not everyone has to agree with every rule.

Responding to your comment on trappers being able to hit 2.2k with 1point charged sentry - this nerf is so limiting - not only does this make a useable trapper pay-to-win levels of expensive, but theres also no real practical place to put your skills. on paper, this looks like the same nerf as a bowie's, but again, the reality is that its practical for a bowie to point more into passives but imagine a trapper who has dragon flight, shadow master, mindblast on their claws: where do all the extra points go now? claw block? most of the time a trapper has to shield - even bigger dmg nerf. so not only is this nerf massive on dmg, but the skills left over also become very insignificant.

enabling bp in tvt's is not silly when every1 and their moms have a tele stick and know how to use it

This post was edited by Rosegarden on Apr 8 2023 04:32pm

Kick with crushing blow, claw block.
Id prefer 2.2k trap over 2k trap, put the points the same place as you would now?

Just to mention..... have you ever played a sin on D2R? Just want your view before i post a response.

This post was edited by chum on Apr 8 2023 04:35pm

show me this 2.2k trapper that can kick with cb and has 50%+ cb lol

im talking objectively here when u zoom out and look at the rules, its very obvious zonlandia so you would only be forcing zon meta tvts rather than diversity



yeah of course - u cant disagree with me that this nerf to trap turns it into a char thats only playable if you have the right claws whereas the nerf to zon is a convenient one

This post was edited by Rosegarden on Apr 8 2023 04:41pm

I thought the nerf to sin (within our rules), actually allows for 5ls random claws (makes it cheaper)

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/7i0106s8 (with shield, 25%cb & 3 kicks).
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/da0106tt (without shield, 25%cb & 3 kicks).

You'll see the trap dmg with 2 claws is around 2k (similar to the rules you use)
You can also go for a pure trapper (no kicks) with basic +5claws (no adds) and hit the same dmg.
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/p20106gd (without shield, no cb, no kicks, no adds on either claw).

So our dmg structure is very similar to LLD101, but you can use cheaper claws. Again, i can't really see your point on this.

This post was edited by chum on Apr 8 2023 05:02pm

In short chum, Its because people cannot be trusted to follow rules when fg is on the line. After i asked for s/s, Your paladin exclaimed "shit how do i drop X amount of cold res" implying that they were over the stack limit. It would be an assumption to say that without our demand for s/s, he would have continued on dueling slightly over stack limits - not an unreasonable assumption i dont think.

For the record i think stack limit is a bad rule. forcing the whole team to stack cold is enough of a boon for coldsorc to pull their weight.

Well after waiting over an hour for you guys to show up and it was already late for some of the other clan members (They stayed longer than they usually do just to attend the TvT) There was no warning of a cold sorc showing up therefore yes i was slightly unprepared for the resistances that was my bad i was slightly under and needed to borrow some Scs of a fellow clan member to hit the res cap, this was also after chum repeatedly asked what type of sorc it was and there was no response.


Sadly you are right about there being dishonest people when it comes to wagered duels however it is disheartening to see a clan assume that the hosts them selves would be capable of breaking their own rules just to win. These events for us a clan are not about winning or losing its about brining more activity and hopefully more community members for all PvP brackets hence the 2:1 ratio on wagered duels or the option to do scrims as well (Level 30 will not be our only focus) so in regards to that, As chum mentioned already for future TvTs each clan can join the d2arena chat and stream and if necessary a clan can simply join the opposing clans chat and request at any time to see stats via stream rather than having to waste so much time taking screen shots and sending them to whomever.



As for the rule discussion

These rules will be monitored closely and adjusted accordingly if specific classes are exceling over others, If anyone is unhappy with the rules they can simply not join the events we will be hosting.

Should be able to bp all tele chars even if just 1 tele char in enemy team, just the teleport chars
Should be able to stack as much cold res as u want, fought a bm es blizz couldn’t do anything with this cold stack. Even with hdin zon
Necro should be able to do 3 walls just like all other rule sets
Sin should have cap of 2-2.2k traps

Rest are good