Quote (jaaykaay @ Sep 18 2020 02:00pm)

Hmmm guess I didn’t understand that the firestorm fucked fhr so bad, in that case it should 100% be banned vs other classes.

As for the ele dmg it does, idk. Look it up, does like 101-111 dmg when it procs (maybe wrong website?). 1/6 pvp penalty is like 18 dmg when it procs. People running fools setups with comparable ele dmg every hit. Is that really worthwhile dmg in zeal vs zeal?

I have mixed feelings on prudence. It’s bugged armor, seems weird idk. Prudence/ds viso/edc is a force to be reckoned with for sure. Prudence on conc barb is also fucked up lol.

Idk they are controversial but balance each other out in a way. If ban one ban the other IMO. This is ladder, not NL. Why not have slightly different rules for the sake of flavor?

Quote (PvPing @ Sep 18 2020 09:22am)

Gents,

Looking to understand general league sentiment regarding our current rule set. Anything we want to call a vote on?

Some considerations:

1) adding tap for zeal vs zeal
2) removing Phoenix
3) removing prudence

Understand we don’t need to carbon copy the NL leagues, but they have a set of rules cultivated over the course of years and it seems to work.

In my mind, I think tap is fun as fuck. Comeback potential increases like 1000000%. However, tap pretty much kills build variety. We can just do a tap tournament if we don’t like this idea.

With regards to Phoenix, I personally think it’s bullshit. It directly contradicts one of the listed rules (chance to cast high lvl ele spell) and not entirely sure why we included it from the outset. Someone asked the other day if Phoenix is that much more OP than fort and the answer is unequivocally YES - especially in zeal vs non zeal. Firestorm does cause hit recovery animation and it creates an extreme imbalance even zeal vs zeal where one zealer is using Phoenix and the other isn’t.

If no changes, great - just want to make sure that everyone understand the rationale behind the banned items, and more importantly that everyone is having fun.

Cheers

Quote (PvPing @ Sep 18 2020 01:44pm)

Fhr still matters in zeal vs zeal. 4 out of 5 zeal swings are interruptible, even if it hard to see it is still happening.

Again, not making a judgment just want to make sure everyone feels everything is fair.

^scorcher I don’t think there is anything objectively wrong with EDC. It forces you to use angelics which forces you to Cham something it really hampers your ability to get stats / ar from anywhere else which results in a lower hp total. It kind of balances out. Moreover I have been able to consistently beat EDC all season with a host of different weapons I don’t think it is OP just strong and consistent.

I think it would be super cool to do a rare / craft / set only tournament for some variety. As long as we have an active core membership we can run as many tournaments as we’d like.

Quote (dougflutie @ Sep 18 2020 12:35pm)

The ideology behind allowing Phoenix was to give people an opportunity to counter Prudence. If you ban Phoenix there's no reason to use anything but a Prudence and if you ban Prudence there's really no reason to use anything other than a Fortitude/EDC set, other armors just do not compare to Fortitude. Not saying you shouldn't do the vote, just wanted to remind people of the initial reasoning behind allowing Phoenix.



anddd I'm gone.

Quote (ZeaLORDeaL @ Sep 18 2020 01:03pm)

Could just ban prudence/fort/phoenix

Makes a lot of options viable. Shaft / Hades probably the most popular but eth uppd duriel, eth valor, eth gbane, eth Templars are all a lot more balanced with eachother.