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btw, this is all in the rules on the first page...
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btw, this is all in the rules on the first page...


One question about rules. Why can barbs use 2x ravens < 310 cold res? I'll likely get murdered by any BVC with just 1 Ravenfrost regardless.
I'm just curious why Barb's get it and no one else. mostly in regards to the 40% cold sorb

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nvm she's in a challenge

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Quote (Icecold_666 @ Jan 23 2019 11:59am)
One question about rules. Why can barbs use 2x ravens < 310 cold res? I'll likely get murdered by any BVC with just 1 Ravenfrost regardless.
I'm just curious why Barb's get it and no one else. mostly in regards to the 40% cold sorb


thats the way she goes m8

dont play es orb than :P
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thats the way she goes m8

dont play es orb than :P


Eh I could switch to blizzard with no ES and still have the same question. Fully expecting to lose to every BvC on this ladder cause I'm noob. Not cause of Sorb.

Just feel bad for the other melee's
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Quote (Icecold_666 @ Jan 23 2019 11:26am)
Eh I could switch to blizzard with no ES and still have the same question. Fully expecting to lose to every BvC on this ladder cause I'm noob. Not cause of Sorb.

Just feel bad for the other melee's


well if you went mb orb sorc with dr/mdr/etc you'd be unkillable to every barb
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Quote (Icecold_666 @ Jan 23 2019 11:26am)
Eh I could switch to blizzard with no ES and still have the same question. Fully expecting to lose to every BvC on this ladder cause I'm noob. Not cause of Sorb.

Just feel bad for the other melee's


You shouldn't necessarily lose.

The rule is in place to help barbs who cannot afford a ton of res sc's to be able to not instantly die to a self blizzing sorc.

A barb has no range, they have to be on you to hurt you.

A smart blizz will sit in blizz on a puddle and lure the barb in.

Blizz sorcs @ level 40 cold mastery = -230 resistances, hell dificulty = -100 res = total of -330 cold res

each res point over 0 = 1% less damage taken

10,000 blizz damage if a barb has 310 cold res total (Including anyas) he will be at -20 res when you hit him.
10,000 * 1/6 (Not exact but close to the pvp penalty) = 1,666.667 damage
1,666.667 * 120% damage = 2,000 damage per tick of blizz
- Remove the 40% absorb from 2 x raven = 1200 per tick
- Heals 800
- Actual damage 400

Now a barb with proper stack
405 cold res total
75% all res with 20% absorb
10,000 * 1/6 = 1,666.667 damage
- 75% from proper res = 416.92 damage per tick
- 20% from raven = 333.536 damage per tick
- Heals 83.384
- Actual damage - 250.152

Now this may have some minor flaws in exactly how the damage is applied in order, but it paints a pretty obvious picture that it is better to duel a dual raven 310 cold res bvc rather than a properly stacked bvc with one raven. Dual raven does not come close to the damage reduction proper res does.

/e I forgot to apply absorbs healing as well.

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Quote (Egardner @ Jan 23 2019 12:44pm)
You shouldn't necessarily lose.

The rule is in place to help barbs who cannot afford a ton of res sc's to be able to not instantly die to a self blizzing sorc.

A barb has no range, they have to be on you to hurt you.

A smart blizz will sit in blizz on a puddle and lure the barb in.

Blizz sorcs @ level 40 cold mastery = -230 resistances, hell dificulty = -100 res = total of -330 cold res

each res point over 0 = 1% less damage taken

10,000 blizz damage if a barb has 310 cold res total (Including anyas) he will be at -20 res when you hit him.
10,000 * 1/6 (Not exact but close to the pvp penalty) = 1,666.667 damage
1,666.667 * 120% damage = 2,000 damage per tick of blizz
- Remove the 40% absorb from 2 x raven = 1200 per tick
- Heals 800
- Actual damage 400

Now a barb with proper stack
405 cold res total
75% all res with 20% absorb
10,000 * 1/6 = 1,666.667 damage
- 75% from proper res = 416.92 damage per tick
- 20% from raven = 333.536 damage per tick
- Heals 83.384
- Actual damage - 250.152

Now this may have some minor flaws in exactly how the damage is applied in order, but it paints a pretty obvious picture that it is better to duel a dual raven 310 cold res bvc rather than a properly stacked bvc with one raven. Dual raven does not come close to the damage reduction proper res does.

/e I forgot to apply absorbs healing as well.


slap em with the big math
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so does a 50% sorb literally make u unkillable to that element assuming you don't get 1 shot before healing kicks in?
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