Quote (Azn Masta @ Feb 12 2015 03:01pm)

You can't put a restriction on "overly" defensive play because that is dependent on each person's perspective. It's better to completely ban a skill that can be "abused" to avoid people misusing it, than to "restrict" a grey area such as play style.

In HvG, how the match up works generally is to chipped down hdin with safe mb and traps. WW when they stomp if applicable and when they charge out of your mb lock. Problem is IF they wanted to, they can heal it all back up with less risk since they're allowed more room for error. A ghost can make 1 mistake and go from full life to 0 instantly. When the Hdin mess up (and you did a lot of times) I can get off maybe 1 hit check of ww through that 50% DR and 75% block and high defense.... Even if its a major mess up and I ww you while charging, I notice you only lost all of 20%-25% life. That sure seems a lot more flexible than me who 2 hit = dead.

Quote (Azn Masta @ Feb 12 2015 07:16pm)

What are the exact numbers may I ask? I'm not 100% how that works

Quote (BloopX @ Feb 12 2015 03:11pm)

ReV > East.

Quote (Azn Masta @ Feb 12 2015 03:11pm)

SpD #1

Quote (young2093 @ Feb 12 2015 01:34pm)

Trap and Ghost are well equipped to agress Medi.
If you're using Medi you won't kill anything in 2 hammers.
"Chump change damage" when the DPS of MB is 5x the effective HPS of Medi. Ghost is actually even better equipped to deal with Medi than Trap. You can charge out of MB lock against Trap, it's dangerous against Ghost because it leaves you vulnerable to WW. Quite frankly Hdin is at at a much greater disadvantage against Trap and Ghost when trying to play defensively with Medi compared to pressuring with stomps. Pretty sure I proved that yesterday, actually...

Quote (Mstrforce @ Feb 12 2015 03:52pm)

EcKo > east
Mac > PC




The thing is that MB can only output 5x as much as the effective HPS of meditation, not factoring in life rep, so it's not a full 5x. That is also assuming that the MB lock is held indefinitely. You can charge out of the lock and then you gain full effectiveness of the meditation + life rep.

My question to you is the following: what do you think is a fair time frame for someone to play defensive safely to rep life? In general of course. Do you think 30 seconds is a fair number?

Quote (BloopX @ Feb 12 2015 03:54pm)

So much for playing Dota 2 w/ Trent and I, yabitch.

Quote (Mstrforce @ Feb 12 2015 03:52pm)

EcKo > east
Mac > PC




The thing is that MB can only output 5x as much as the effective HPS of meditation, not factoring in life rep, so it's not a full 5x. That is also assuming that the MB lock is held indefinitely. You can charge out of the lock and then you gain full effectiveness of the meditation + life rep.

My question to you is the following: what do you think is a fair time frame for someone to play defensive safely to rep life? In general of course. Do you think 30 seconds is a fair number?

Quote (ggpwntthxbai @ Feb 12 2015 03:36pm)

If you wanna get an equivalent health from block or DR% then your effective health would just be your actual health multiplied by 1/(1-x) where x is the probability of a block or a DR %.

If you have 1% block and 1,000 health you have 1,010 effective health.

If you have 99% block and 1,000 health you have 100,000 effective health.

Quote (young2093 @ Feb 12 2015 04:06pm)

Too many variables to justify stomping @ x health.
Which class am I playing against?
How does he prioritize stats?
What are the stakes?
How is his positioning?
How offensive/defensive is he playing?
Is his summon down?

Etc

I just don't feel, personally, that 1 point heals enough to the point it needs to be banned. Obviously Hdin is pretty infamous amongst the majority of the community to begin with, and I think that plays a big part in why it won't be GM on East. Regardless, I'd prefer it banned completely to the current state.

Quote (Mstrforce @ Feb 12 2015 03:04pm)

I asked like 10 times to go over the hot keys and set it up :(