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Dec 2 2021 11:35am
Quote (Aaronoob @ Dec 2 2021 06:32pm)
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talk about it here dont spam these guys thread pls


gd topic ty info
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Dec 2 2021 11:39am
Quote (desk8 @ Dec 2 2021 06:02pm)
unplayable for you maybe, ok for the rest with at the actual state of the game, we made test both with 6 and 4k mana with and w/o % regen but u didnt looked deep i assume

from the test we made, the problem of sorc deffing is not the dmg but the sustain, we were either focusing on reduce life rep ( hard cause of build potential hoto etc ) / or do smt to the mana, the solution were reduce regen/reduce es%/reduce tk ....

because at the actual state of the game with low gear and stuff , and the average skill we got atm ( brand new game , new mechanincs, old mechs were removed ) sorc es/fb was just too abused.

at first we were all conscious there was a problem with the trapper, but sorc atm, at a standard d2r skill lvl is just too op if u play for the win.

the other solution was to focus on the overlydef part of the actual sorc es/fb players, but i dont think any of our participant meant to overlydef, it is part of how the char is, would be kinda hard in some situation

we made those rules with 5 person approval, some of these players won multiple 1v1 tour as sorc es/fb



there is no hate, sorry if it feels like that.

we are trying to make the game fair for everyone, if we put 95% precast warmth mana pots everyone will play es/fb, at least everyone that really want the win no matter what
at least in a double elimination bracket

so, to make it short, too much sorc es/fb , too much looooong match cuz of the playstyle, too much admin for overlydef rule, not balanced at actual state of game

if u guys realise we are far to have pro players here in our tour, we try to adapt the rules to make it fair/fun for everyone, this rule modification woudnt apply if it was only top end players in the tours





we tought about class adv in this rule

- necro should still lose 100% to es/fb sorc after this rule ( it was not made for the nec to win the only matchup he hardly loss )

- smite/foh doesnt rly work anymore or at least is not as efficiant as it was before 2018, it is even harder now as hdin to win this mu ( pala still has his 100% win mu vs barb tho but another story )

also there is ways to counter es sorc that our participants doesnt seem to abuse, either cuz they are expensive or because they dont even know or want to use them.

a question for this would be, should we focus on the high end tier lvl and let ppl learn by themself how to win a certain mu, or should we just give em the keys or what?

the rules we apply for this specific tour were not the same we used for the last tour and prolly wont be the next ones and are certainly not the top tier player rules

they are not our rules, they are not overall european rules, and we plan to do a lot of tours and the rules will always be evolving with the time and the metagame

maybe we are doing bad, i dont know, but just so u know , we appreciate every feedback, just keep in mind if we had to made the rules for ourself they would be different, but here we listen to everyone ( including you, but if 20 other ppl say the contrary we will prolly try new things )

i hope u got our point, we like feedback, we try to do beter for the community and the game



actually we got the winner of the 1st 1v1 tour playing

she was/is es/fb

she did play without precast and with warmth

now its gonna be the contrary, more dammage / less survability


big thanks to him for joining again and trying



Hehe too long duels very good reason, then remove charge from smiter because of those matchups where they charge directly on enemy despite everything and kill. Its too fast :)) diferent chars, different playstyle, how can someone dont understand.
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Dec 2 2021 11:41am
What changed so much in d2r for u guys to ban warmth on es sorc? lmao
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Dec 2 2021 11:45am
Didn't see this topic.

You can walk away from swirl foh without taking dmg, however once sorc tele away and get foh stomped it's rip.

Overal feeling is smite foh seems pretty strong. Mainly because it works w/o delay (due to higher ping than bnet for my part).

About sorcs, idk i don't feel like it needs to be nerfed to be honest.

To kill a fb sorc you need to be aggro until she dies cause once she takes a hit she will defwhore and rep - part of the game.

With extended screen range and the messy chainlocks, it helps defwhoring a bit but not such a big deal.

That being said... sorc is not really the problem in D2R, just my opinion.


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Dec 2 2021 11:49am
Quote (0me @ Dec 2 2021 05:16pm)
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Gergo said himself smite foh is barely useful on d2r since you can walk away from it, what are you talking about.
Swirls are way worse than in lod, you can walk away from smite foh, or from cano.


What are you smoking, in what way are swirls worse.. they're way stronger. Bnet patch in 2018 made swirls pretty much useless too XD
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Dec 2 2021 11:51am
Quote (Piwah @ Dec 2 2021 06:49pm)
What are you smoking, in what way are swirls worse.. they're way stronger. Bnet patch in 2018 made swirls pretty much useless too XD


This is basically bnet patch 2018 replica without wsg.
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Dec 2 2021 11:57am
Quote (Piwah @ Dec 2 2021 06:41pm)
What changed so much in d2r for u guys to ban warmth on es sorc? lmao


new players, not so mechanicaly gifted as you and few around, we are just trying to make it friendly for all party's involved and from all kind of skilled invovled, why did we ban wrath? why did we ban fire soso from d2gm tours ? because she was clapping left and right and winning and forcing overly defensive plays we trying to avoid that, make it fun no pride fiesta

but get good?

d2gm tour had pretty decant people signin up zaku,chris,gdo, and she would force drama almost everytime, our last tour was won by soso FIre 95es, why cuz she was good? i dont think so no direspect for the guy its just that, no one would know how to keep her locked, or keep constant aggro at her, what did she do, she would just replenish herself everytime,
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Dec 2 2021 12:00pm
Quote (0me @ Dec 2 2021 05:51pm)
This is basically bnet patch 2018 replica without wsg.


The no wsg part makes swirls stupidly op.. I had a sin and was easily beating some of the best necs in the game with traps unhotkeyed and not using kick/dc. Not to mention 1 v x situations felt 10x easier lol

If ur up against a half competent sin/druid combo then you have no chance of surviving a good cano stomp if swirled

I have access to gergos hdin and can gladly show you smite foh is still OP and way stronger than bnet
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Dec 2 2021 12:01pm
Quote (Piwah @ 2 Dec 2021 18:41)
What changed so much in d2r for u guys to ban warmth on es sorc? lmao


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Quote (0me @ 2 Dec 2021 18:51)
This is basically bnet patch 2018 replica without wsg.


Btw, I am 101% sure that last time I played (around 2005 maybe XD) you COULD just teleport away with a 105 / 86 sorc from continous smite regardless of the smiter setup, without wsg
Now they just straight kill me if I don't walk ^
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Dec 2 2021 12:02pm
Quote (mIDDLES @ Dec 2 2021 06:57pm)
new players, not so mechanicaly gifted as you and few around, we are just trying to make it friendly for all party's involved and from all kind of skilled invovled, why did we ban wrath? why did we ban fire soso from d2gm tours ? because she was clapping left and right and winning and forcing overly defensive plays we trying to avoid that, make it fun no pride fiesta

but get good?

d2gm tour had pretty decant people signin up zaku,chris,gdo, and she would force drama almost everytime, our last tour was won by soso FIre 95es, why cuz she was good? i dont think so no direspect for the guy its just that, no one would know how to keep her locked, or keep constant aggro at her, what did she do, she would just replenish herself everytime,



Oh oh, taking care about new players, what a retarded argument. And what if new player wants to play es fb? Oh he cant really because two or free guys thinks its hard to namelock, wtf. You say like there is No hard pvp matchups for all other classes. Focusing only on sorc is bad idea and already few experienced players said something similar to what i think.
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