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Aug 10 2014 12:30am
Quote (PuA @ Aug 9 2014 08:03pm)
We're putting too much classification on something that cannot be defined, like the mechanics of this game and match-ups.

It's like the world we live in cannot be defined, but just understood.

This world we live in, including this game is like a big DMT trip, you cannot begin to understand it, but just live.

A good sin / barb etc could destroy an Exile Smiter.

I don't agree with juvs, not saying go, etc, that's just being a commonly good person and should be inside of all of us spiritually.

However, saying someone cannot use more than 85% res but you're sitting there camping with traps + summon + mb and wwing away when they get near and using corners does not mean you have the right to put sanctions on other characters when you're doing that just for your own gain.

One person incites a GM rule, 10 people push it to be "official" because of their own interests, it's like lobbying for pepsi/cola.

These rules are corrupt, and they make no apparent sense.

It's like if an Hdin were to say "you can't use enigma because it makes it much easier to escape from me and it's too op"

In reality, having 90 res isn't OP, and if you're playing a Hybrid, then you can't say "You can't have 90 res" because then that's unfair for that person who you're putting sanctions on, and you know it's just for your own interest, not to better the PvP community.

I believe letting people have 7k mana but not use exile is a little brash.

I believe l8z dueling for pride with rules that favor the l8z duelists are brash.

The game was made for a reason, it should be "make a character and play style undefeatable no matter what gear they wear"

These are my personal utopian GM rules:

No Juves
No town
Say go
NO MODS/hacks/etc
No s/e

Rest is up to you to figure out, limiting a game is basically like saying you can't use that 10,000 dollar performance golf club because you're white, I can, however, because I'm black.

You can't do this but I can do that.

To me a truly great build/ player can overcome this, and that's the true skill in this game, to be able to overcome people no matter what they wear, and if that's not your fancy, then play a different char class, don't complain or try to rationalize to make it easier on the fact that that char class sucks overall and you should play another char.

It's like if someone was tall at basketball, and I was short, and I said "Oh well you have to play with one hand because you're taller" that's life, if your char class sucks vs a specific char class, how can you possibly try to nerf the other char class, and most oddly of all, how could you possibly be cocky enough to think that your theory on that nerfing you're doing is exactly 100% fair and would correlate with a directly fair match, there's no way for you to know this, so this leads to the conclusion that if you THINK you know something, then you're an asshole.

If you want to lead people, then you're probably an asshole, much like a president/ politician.

One of the greatest quotes I've heard was from my friend Dennis McKenna (brother of Terrence McKenna), and after being asked on a podcast after all of these years of science and writing books, and all of the knowledge, what he concluded in life. And he said "That I know nothing! I know absolutely nothing, about anything in life" this goes true with theories and placing definitions on things including GM rules.

What we do know, however, is the spirit of love, that vibration you feel -karma- that essence known as love, that feel inside of ourselves that we think we know as love.

Jumping someone isn't love.
Leaving out of a match (s/e or town) knowing you lost is not love.
Using Juves is not love.

What I'm trying to say is that there is no way to know through all of these variables of character builds and advantage over disadvantage to a definition, the only way we can define this friendly competition is by who can slay who, and do it in a good mannered way without being an asshole.



there are specific classifications to help advantage, the disadvantages.. such as necros are allowed 95 FIRE Res vs chars but its not acceptable by others, it's simple to make it not impossible to win, but still massively advantaged, generally a sorc will beat a necro, but if we didn't allow that necro 95FR, there is a 0% chance he can win...
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Aug 10 2014 12:32am
Quote (PuA @ Aug 10 2014 01:06am)
I never said I don't know what GM is, I'm one of the most GM people I've met, I just am speaking how I personally feel about it.

I wish I could walk naked outside, and I wish clothes weren't needed, it doesn't mean I've ever been naked in public.

It's the same with GM, I'm not a BM player at all, I just don't agree with GM.

And, yes, this is Walk, and I remember you and liked you a lot, I don't know why you'd talk to me like this after we've always been friendly, so ofc I'm going to react this way.


i have heard that you can walk naked in public in certain places as long as you are not erect LOL

but seriously, back to the gm rule thing.
you practice the gm rules but believe they shouldn't exist (for the most part), then what about the following:

say you are playing a class that relies entirely on a specific element to do damage. now lets say your opponent feels the same way you do about gm rules and wont use mods or juvs or town/save and exit, BUT says fuck you to the gm sorb rules.
they hostile you, and say go, and now you are hitting them.... but they are not taking damage, but instead healing off of your damage because they decided to stack res against you, while having 95% resistance and wearing sorb gear.
that isnt a duel, thats them turning you into a mobile punching bag lol because all you can do is take damage, not deal any vs them

by your logic, as long as they follow your "personal utopian gm rules"

"These are my personal utopian GM rules:

No Juves
No town
Say go
NO MODS/hacks/etc
No s/e"

this is fair, and gm?
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Aug 10 2014 02:26am
Arguing with a hammerdin/smiter player: The thread
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Aug 10 2014 02:28am
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It's like the world we live in cannot be defined, but just understood.

This world we live in, including this game is like a big DMT trip, you cannot begin to understand it, but just live.

you can't even go two sentences without contradicting yourself with pseudo-intellectual bullshit

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Aug 10 2014 04:38am
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bumping this thread


you can't even go two sentences without contradicting yourself with pseudo-intellectual bullshit


Stupid PvP East spawn.

Go crawl back to the hole you came from.

You don't actually PvP, remember that, this isn't Facebook, if you don't play the game don't comment, you're a random.

And I agree with GM rules, I just don't think people should play in a BM fashion using GM rules when they're not GM to begin with.

This would be equivalent to a 9k mana sorc being super l8z teleing to cp with 95 ES but wearing exactly enough to max out her "gm" life rep and then claim #1.

In theory anybody could do this on a ladder.

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Aug 10 2014 08:50am
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Stupid PvP East spawn.

Go crawl back to the hole you came from.

You don't actually PvP, remember that, this isn't Facebook, if you don't play the game don't comment, you're a random.

And I agree with GM rules, I just don't think people should play in a BM fashion using GM rules when they're not GM to begin with.

This would be equivalent to a 9k mana sorc being super l8z teleing to cp with 95 ES but wearing exactly enough to max out her "gm" life rep and then claim #1.

In theory anybody could do this on a ladder.


He's not a random either -_-

Thread is pointless, 9k mana sorc wouldn't be #1 else it already would be

We love Fpk because out of all char classes they can all beat one another depending on skill level
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Aug 10 2014 09:33am
im STILL random and i like it like dat



sure there are some rules that are hard to get around. Let me use an example im sure we can all relate too.

Law Enforcement! sometimes like when me n my homie drive by a johnny we got the stereo turned up too loud and he pulls us over like yo, turn off musak or give me a $100 bill.

then your like fuk shit i hate rules arrest me. you wanted to listen to your loud music but... what if there was an old lady who heard your monkey music and just fell over and died of a heart attack. NOW WHOS BM??

so yea some things are hard to argue, The bill of rights exists and yet it doesn't, Cops are GM/BM, and on a 14 year old legacy game there are certain rules that just are lol.

but hey man patience is hard to come by.

Quote (jlzm @ 10 Aug 2014 09:50)
He's not a random either -_-

Thread is pointless, 9k mana sorc wouldn't be #1 else it already would be

We love Fpk because out of all char classes they can all beat one another depending on skill level


barbs still scare me lol i think it should just be barb vs barb only. Who's with me lets bvb

This post was edited by imaKTULU on Aug 10 2014 09:36am
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Aug 10 2014 10:29am
Quote (PuA @ Aug 9 2014 04:28am)
Who set these stupid "gm" rules and why do all the sheep follow them? By logic any beneficial aspect of the game is "bm"

So shouldn't tele be bm, it'so useful, and not all chars need it to own.

So, if I can't stack res, but you can play a sin and run in circles like a moron, then here's a new rule, no tele for any class or I'll stack you.

The only rule should be no mods, play the game as it's meant.


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im STILL random and i like it like dat



sure there are some rules that are hard to get around. Let me use an example im sure we can all relate too.

Law Enforcement! sometimes like when me n my homie drive by a johnny we got the stereo turned up too loud and he pulls us over like yo, turn off musak or give me a $100 bill.

then your like fuk shit i hate rules arrest me. you wanted to listen to your loud music but... what if there was an old lady who heard your monkey music and just fell over and died of a heart attack. NOW WHOS BM??

so yea some things are hard to argue, The bill of rights exists and yet it doesn't, Cops are GM/BM, and on a 14 year old legacy game there are certain rules that just are lol.

but hey man patience is hard to come by.



barbs still scare me lol i think it should just be barb vs barb only. Who's with me lets bvb


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Aug 10 2014 11:19am
Quote (PuA @ Aug 10 2014 01:03am)
These are my personal utopian GM rules:

No Juves
No town
Say go
NO MODS/hacks/etc
No s/e


Rest is up to you to figure out, limiting a game is basically like saying you can't use that 10,000 dollar performance golf club because you're white, I can, however, because I'm black.
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so all that bitching about bmanas and shit but allyou can come up with is this?
Let me tell you a story about a Young Barbarian named aM-OMeRTa. Once upon a time there was a 2v2 tournament for prizes! omerta was excited and signed up with his friend izzi, together they made it to the semifinals where they duels a cold sorc and a lightning sorc, these sorcs were mb/95 es however with his trusty friend playing his nec omerta were sure to win! also omerta put on an umum crazy amazing fools axe the type of which had never been seen't on east. Well these amped l8z sorcs (Played by Kylev/Jeet) would run for hours as fast as the could off map, the fb would spam at us and the blizz would shoot ib's blizz somewhere with c/t and tele away, well more than alot, omerta clipped them with his openwounds barb, however these sorcs had an ace in the hole, CRAZY LIFE REPLENISH! It literally looked like they were using health pots the whole fight! unfair as fuck! thats when THE LEGENDARY MOB-OMERTA wrote in a rule about 40 being the gm cap after many people like kaer and marvel discussed what the fair cap should be for life replenish

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