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This post was edited by LilNeko on Feb 4 2011 11:11pm

Thanks for replying Jess... if one point is GM, why would 2 points not be?

Going by your statement of one point being "completely GM", wouldnt 2 points be "fairly GM", 3 points be on the border of GM/BM, and 4 points going into the range of "slightly BM", with 5 points as "completely BM"?

Catch my drift here?

Saying that a lot of points into berzerk is BM due to the type of damage (magic) it adds, but then saying one point is okay, just doesn't make sense to me.

I don't know anwser but i'm guessing 2 points like over limit of how much ele dmg you can do. 1 point is barely hit the gm mark though.

Conc is conc.. right? Not zerk? imo 0 zerk.

This is a great idea imo... Should of been around a long time ago.

imo...that makes more sense than allowing 1 point into a skill, then banning additional points based on an interpretation of GM melee rules saying that the fundamentals of that skill are BM.

however, zerk in this case is the synergy, we are talking about, so it's debatable.

Conc is conc right BUT Zerk does ADD dmg toward Conc

yups zerk is a synergy also.
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maybe saw knows the question

This post was edited by LilNeko on Feb 4 2011 11:46pm

Zerk doesn't add damage, it converts damage. If someone adds 20 points, 20% of conc damage will be converted into magic damage. Basically 80% physical and 20% magic. Imo even 1 point is bm, though 1% really isn't much at all.
Zerk barbs get much stronger in bvb, but are weaker vs zeal. There is nothing that can be really done about it (as far as preventing others from using it), although it will be noticable when the barb you're dueling does excess damage. I just hope everyone can keep it gm and and try to win their matches legitimately.

That is exactly how I thought the synergy worked.

So, assuming you have a powerful 8k hit with deadly strike.

8000 x 2 = 16000.

Conversion from 1 point into berserk yields the following damage distribution:

15840 physical / 160 magic

applying 1/6 pvp penalty...

2640 physical / ~27 magic

applying 50% DR...

1320 physical / ~ 27 magic : Total = 1347

Now, applying the same calculations with 2 points into the berserk...

Conversion dmg distribution:

15680 physical / 320 magic

applying 1/6 pvp penalty...

~ 2613 physical / ~53 magic

applying 50% DR...

~1307 physical / ~ 53 magic : Total = 1360

also note that 0 points into berserk would yield 1333 physical damage.

So just looking at the largest conc hits...

0 Berserk points = 1333 total dmg
1 Berserk point = 1347 total dmg
2 Berserk points = 1360 total dmg

We have roughly 13 or 14 dmg increase per point into berserk.

Nothing to get your panties in a bunch over, but just silly to allow one point while banning additional points.

Imo, for 13 additonal dmg per hit per additional point (and thats assuming HUGE hits), it would not be worth implementing a rule that will be difficult to enforce.

1 pnt has allways been the gm rules as far as i know. I do just about 10k dmg on my baba and do just fine setup the way he is. If I were to max out zerk noone could beet me I am sure the dmg would be crazy.
I am fine with no zerk or 1 pnt in zerk eithier does not bother me, and Saw is correct Zerk converts dmg.

yes this, 1 pt only in beserk has been the gm rules always.