Gds all

Gds today everyone wp was fun

available tonight for 3s maybe 4s

Our bowie is on holiday, so we can't duel this weekend.
Not to mention that we need to think about what to do about the drama from last time (we will not be showing cold stack every time someone repairs staffs, re-joins game, switches server).

We created this cold stack rule, previously there wasn't one! To constantly duel like this, was not enjoyable for anyone...... can I just query the rationale as to why you repeatedly requested res stack limit s/s across the rounds (before a single duel had taken place)?

I think moving forward, if we wager a duel then both teams are to stream on D2Arena, we couldn't think of any other way (welcome to suggestions).
We are trying to promote LLD, behaviour like this doesn't do us any favours.

We do want to get this ironed out, before moving to the "Clan Wars", where duels should be fast, gm and enjoyable.

This post was edited by chum on Apr 8 2023 02:51pm

oh i didnt think that was drama at all but we can discuss if you'd like

its just that if theres going to be specific rules that limit everything outside of the normal context, then we should keep track of this (pretty standard especially if we want to mitigate any false accusations etc)

on the other hand, if we all just enter and post screen shots, then never deal with checking in on gear set ups again for the rest of the match then its basically pointless to do so anyway. since we are all friends and part of this same community of 101, we can give ourselves the benefit of the doubt but in the future, by not keeping constant check on each other - this will leave room for corrupted loop holes, especially when there are more players that we are unfamiliar with. best to make good habit now you know?

tldr; it makes sense that if you touch your stash, u have to send in a new screenshot (preferably with time stamp with character included outside of town) so the solution is to drop gold on ground for repairs

Did you enjoy it though? 3-4 min per taking s/s every round, 30 seconds for each round to be over.... we (as a clan), did not enjoy this. All the other tvts are have really enjoyed!
I have seen you duel in many tours, and you (and your team) have never requested s/s from anyone else, so i can only assume that there must be an issue with our team or someone in particular?
There are several rules that generally require screenshots (rep, frw, max resis, max block to name a few), but i haven't once seen/heard of anyone asking for such? Especially before a single duel has taken place.

Generally you would only request to see a certain cap/ s.s (if there have been problems in the past or if you think someone is abusing the rule).
We are not part of the same community, no one in our clan is in/part of LLD101 - so we wouldn't be able to stream there. I'm not sure if Pants is a member of LLD101 either (from the other team) - this is why we recommend D2Arena (for streaming).

This post was edited by chum on Apr 8 2023 03:11pm

im pretty sure ive seen you all in 101 discord but this is a tangent and not worth mentioning more because we can all easily hop on the same server and stream if this can resolve this dilemma.

i think you are exaggerating the scenario of taking a s/s though but regardless, no we don't have any issue with anyone on your team. we mostly see the biased rules here basically buffing bow zon comps and so, in noticing this, we just wanted to check in with the other rules. a simple windows+alt+s takes about 3seconds to take and send. and again, i want to reiterate that these s/s were only requested each time someone touched stash - so in any tvt, you'll probably touch stash at most 2 times when both teams are maintaining the same team compositions.

i want to mention that reading these bluntly written responses can seem a lot harsher/hostile via text than reality because we were all having fun and were not bothered by any of this to view as drama.

In a nut shell, 2 members of our clan got kicked from LLD101, the rest of us left.... so we are no longer in LLD101.
We are not exaggerating the scenario, it was horrible to play in and even worse to watch the stream.

I still can't get my head around why you wanted these s/s so badly.... look from our point of view. Clan Justified are the hosts of this, LLD101 had no cold resis limits, we (as a clan) introduced cold resis stack limits. We thought people would be really happy that cold sorcs are now playable (yes the caps maybe on the low side, but taking that out of the scenario for the time-being). I'm really hurt that you did not trust the hosts to use the correct cold resistance (when we are the only hosts to actually create a resis stack in the first place).

With regards to buffing bowies. Can you expand? When we left LLD101, there wasn't any multi lvl cap, the rep cap was 22. We Capped multi lvl to '10 fixed points' and reduced the rep down to 15. If anything we have nerfed the zon?

This post was edited by chum on Apr 8 2023 03:57pm

i can tell that you are writing out of being offended which is my goal to alleviate you of - our requests for screenies was nothing personal. more out of protocol and no reason to bring emotions into this if we dont have to.

i had no idea people were kicked out of 101 nor that you guys left 101?

our comments towards buffing bowie comps is:
1. bone prison not allowed when just one person cannot tele - for obvious reasons this is a huge buff to zon comps
2. no shout/bc to team - keeps defense low for bowies to hit multi/fury easier
3. no cube buffing - slightly easier time for bowies (ive never been a fan of cube buffing so this doesnt bother me personally. just objectively stating my opinion)
4. max 1 point into charged sentry - another big dmg nerf with not much areas to place your skills like limiting zon's multi to 10max
5. the 10 limit multi is a secret buff to bowies because it forces you to put more into passives - ive been playing my bowzon like this since u put out these rules just to experiment with it and my god its a buff and a half

*the overall of just viewing these 5x is that the zon nerf appears to be a nerf on paper to match the nerfs you've given to every thing else but in reality, while everything actually gets nerfed, the bowie gets buffed and even harder to hit. again, this is just objectively viewing these rules. we also can play a zon comp to utilize these rules but we all know ferdia is an all-bracket zon main so of course, these rules really just favor him :]

but i want to also say that we can respect these rules since this thread is more of a challenge Justified thread and wagers are 1:2 so you have the right to whatever special rules you want. i think im just viewing it from a neutral clan vs clan POV where we would need to reconsider some of these rules when we want to even the playing field for all team comps

This post was edited by Rosegarden on Apr 8 2023 04:02pm

Do your 5 points mean that you disagree with our rules in place? If so what would you do differently?
I think because the zon (is the main char that our team is based around), you feel that we have based our rules around making it easier for ourselves? If so, i'd just like to mention that you are completely mistaking.

1. I have done LLD tvt for 23 years, bp on occasion becomes silly in tvt (when some chars can tele and others can't). Not to mention i don't understand why this is a buff to zon?
2. No shout of bc was decided to give melee chars a better chance to hit (they need all the help they can get, except for barbs ofc). Take a look at the defence on all LLD chars, shout wouldn't change any of this for multi/fury.
3. No cube buff, again was decided for 2 reasons. 1. to nerf barb (top 2 char in LLD) and 2. to speed up every duel.
4. Max 1 point charged sentry, don't you play with 2k trap dmg cap in LLD101? If so, with perfect claws, you can actually hit 2.2k trap dmg with this skill cap (and it does not limit equipment).
5. Great, bowies might be able to survive a ww or a charge. I don't see any problem here, having higher passive and less dmg (this is what was called for right)?

This post was edited by chum on Apr 8 2023 04:06pm