Quote (TOESHANK @ Nov 20 2021 10:49am)

So do you tho we all do

Higher the skill level player the worse it is here lmao

They really have to fix the mechanics





You do know I’m skidd right ? The guys bird you wanted in ur mouth on ladder for two years and I wouldn’t add you on my friends list

Quote (Piwah @ Nov 20 2021 01:43pm)

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Before I Sold Sin, I Beat You With Kick Only In TvT, Others Have Tried To Emulate It But Failed

Quote (TOESHANK @ Nov 20 2021 11:49am)

So do you tho we all do

Higher the skill level player the worse it is here lmao

They really have to fix the mechanics





You do know I’m skidd right ? The guys bird you wanted in ur mouth on ladder for two years and I wouldn’t add you on my friends list

Quote (yostraydog @ Nov 20 2021 12:11pm)

No.

People cant complain when Mr. Thundercock is teleing away 24/7 because he has to hit you 9x for you to die.

everyone who lost to a cold sorc with massive stack is simply bad...

Especially when youre factoring in builds, Chad wasnt using the standard build you mentioned because he was acclimating his char to be well rounded to duel everything in the tournament, this guy had a hoto lol.

people who lost to him are simply skill gapped, not because the rules played in his favor.

Quote (Chad_Thundercock @ Nov 20 2021 03:30pm)

And 100% this, seems like Austin is the only person who gets it without being biased.

Quote (Aaronoob @ Nov 20 2021 02:35pm)

i'll agree theres a lot of bias out there from people suggesting to just play w/out a cold stack limit

Wouldn't say that about legen though and his detailed assessment. Trying to find an appropriate balance point for cold sorcs and be smart about it.

How much health etc are you really losing though going from HOTO build to DF/NW?

Quote (Aaronoob @ Nov 20 2021 02:35pm)

i'll agree theres a lot of bias out there from people suggesting to just play w/out a cold stack limit

Wouldn't say that about legen though and his detailed assessment. Trying to find an appropriate balance point for cold sorcs and be smart about it.

How much health etc are you really losing though going from HOTO build to DF/NW?

Quote (yostraydog @ Nov 20 2021 02:39pm)

Not necessarily just health, rep, cast rate will play a factor in other item slots by losing 20 to fathom, and most of all oak charges to help minion bug, add life, and give survivability

Quote (Chad_Thundercock @ Nov 20 2021 08:57pm)

Don't feel like writing a bunch of paragraphs here but we tested this with ^Azn_Masta yesterday. He might post a VOD later, idk.

At current stack limits 410/no raven or 385/raven (on-screen), his sin (top notch gear) was able to tank 8-9 hits vs hoto build (12k dmg, -240cr) , which is more than plenty.

DF/NW set up is not viable for tournaments like this and would bomb out in first or second round of the bracket. While the damage might be higher with such build, it won't be able to survive for too long, so it all balances out at the end of the day. DF/NW build should be able to kill in 4-5 hits max.

Part of the reason why the last final was so pathetic and boring is because blizz sorc has no incentive to take risks when opponent can tank 10+ hits. Opponents can play recklessly with 0 downside of being punished for their mistakes or overly aggressive playstyle.

Raising CR higher will only promote more defensive playstyle and phase out blizz build from the competition.

TL DR:
-Leave CR where it is at 410/no raven or 385/raven.